Author Topic: Can the line drawing mode get pressure sensitivity like auto shapes?  (Read 2871 times)

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I’d love to share but unfortunately I don’t have any pieces with it that aren’t under NDA right now. However, I found a nice example online. In this piece you can see the hatching technique with straight lines, and you can also see that there is variability in the line weight across strokes (especially in that cheek area under the eye on the right side of the image). I think this piece was done with an actual pen, but I’d love to be able to do this technique in Art Studio Pro, with pressure dynamics added to line mode.


There are many styles, you can find a lot of examples by searching for cross hatching. In my work, I love to use straight lines when hatching.


Btw, I saw that live preview for auto shape came into the beta! Very cool. It seems a bit laggy in this iteration, at least on my iPad Pro 2018. But very promising! Hope it gets super snappy in upcoming iterations!


https://i.pinimg.com/736x/e9/6b/e3/e96be3803ef7a82c0a78329079fdc6d6.jpg

Thanks.

On close lookup I see small curves on some lines. So it is not made with straight line tool in digital apps or with ruler and pen in traditional. But I see your point about convenient hatching.

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Thanks for the Long Press Delay remark, we will improve that add Autoshape Delay asap.
Last Edit: December 23, 2021, 06:43:41 AM by Lucky Clan

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I just saw that pressure and live preview were added to the line mode, that’s awesome! Thank you so much! This is huge!

I saw that you also rearranged the eyedropper delay settings, it’s definitely more clear! One thing I miss though is being able to disable eye dropper long press just for the Apple Pencil. It seems there’s no way to do that now without also disabling it for finger. I like to only use my finger to activate long press eye dropper, to avoid it ever accidentally popping up with the pencil while drawing, which I find distracting whenever it happens. A simple toggle setting somewhere like “Disable Pencil Eyedropper Long Press” would bring back that functionality in a more clear way. I could see it going nicely in the “Apple Pencil” subsection right under the double tap action setting in the Apple Pencil/Third Party Stylus section of the preferences. Please consider adding that option to help avoid accidental eyedropper long presses with the pencil again- thank you very much!

Another minor note- it seems that in this update the stroke taper is being applied to the rectangle and polygon drawing modes, so each segment gets thinner at the end. Seems like a minor bug. Although it is honestly kind of a nice effect! Haha. But you probably will want to remove it to get the old behavior back for those two modes.

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I noticed another apparent minor bug related to this- It seems that you can use your finger to make marks in the line, rectangle, ellipse and polygon modes, despite being in Pencil Only mode. I also have Finger Function set to Off in the settings.

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Thanks for all remarks, we will fix them after Christmas. I consider removing long press Pencil Eyedropper gesture. So it will work with finger only
Last Edit: December 23, 2021, 05:21:58 PM by Lucky Clan

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Awesome, have a great holiday!

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Thanks for all remarks, we will fix them after Christmas. I consider removing long press Pencil Eyedropper gesture. So it will work with finger only

NOOO please don’t ever remove that gesture! 😭  It’s how I personally like to pick color and I use it all the time. And I’m sure other people do too. I don’t like using finger for that at all, and it’s so useful and one of the features that allow you to work really fast with the app and what I really like over other apps. And it’s such a frequently used tool generally that I really think it’s not a good idea to take away one the ways on how to use it.

So please, please, please don’t remove it! Just having an option again to turn it off for people who prefer to use their finger should be enough.Being able to select color so simple and fast with just the pencil, is literally one of my favorite features and I’m surely not the only one who uses it a lot!
Last Edit: December 24, 2021, 01:59:17 AM by icezimy

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Thanks for all remarks, we will fix them after Christmas. I consider removing long press Pencil Eyedropper gesture. So it will work with finger only
Oh god, PLEASE DON'T, this is my main way of blending: painting, holding with the pencil to eyedrop a color, and then continuing to paint.
It's very fluid, and one of my favorite things about this app. This would be one of the worst possible changes.

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Ok, thanks for your feedback :)

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I totally agree, I use the long press Pencil for the Eyedropper too and it's essential for me!
The only alternative I could imagine is to replace that with a mid button like Procreate does for the eyedropper, the button between the size and opacity slider of the brush on the left side!

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I don't even think a midbutton would replace the convenience of just simply long pressing. I'm  not a big fan of it in inside procreate either.It's really something unique to ASP which I really hope won't be removed!
Last Edit: December 24, 2021, 05:26:47 AM by icezimy

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There was an app called Craft Pro made by borodante (a youtube artist from Ukraine) - Boro CG channel
It had interesting UI features, and a very ergonomic brush-size-changing/color-picking feature called thumb bar.
Adam Duff did some review of the app if you are interested https://youtu.be/X5z7CpdoCls?t=433
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Yes, i know this app. Unfortunately as far as i know it is not available anymore.

There was an app called Craft Pro made by borodante (a youtube artist from Ukraine) - Boro CG channel
It had interesting UI features, and a very ergonomic brush-size-changing/color-picking feature called thumb bar.
Adam Duff did some review of the app if you are interested https://youtu.be/X5z7CpdoCls?t=433

Leonid Deburger

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Yes, i know this app. Unfortunately as far as i know it is not available anymore.

There was an app called Craft Pro made by borodante (a youtube artist from Ukraine) - Boro CG channel
It had interesting UI features, and a very ergonomic brush-size-changing/color-picking feature called thumb bar.
Adam Duff did some review of the app if you are interested https://youtu.be/X5z7CpdoCls?t=433

Though, we still can learn some from videos :)
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About the main topic of the thread, honestly I would like to make a case against this change, or at least have there be an option to turn it off. I think this change is very interesting and experimentative, which is definitely something I love the app doing.

However, I don't think having this as the default is a very good idea. The only reason I've read so far for this change would be for hatching, and I do think it improves the line tool's practicality for it, but is it enough to justify fundamentally changing the line mode as a whole? I'm not so sure.

Mattnava provided examples of traditional work using crosshatching, but I don't really understand what any of those drawings have to do with the line tool. In my opinion those examples would be a good case against this change, as they are done with a pen/pencil, which is the equivalent of freehand. To be frank, I don't think anyone should use the line tool for cross hatching. I don't crosshatch or use it in my work very much, but to me using only straight lines leads to a very rigid effect when using it to shade rounded form, as cross contour lines are rarely ever straight. ​I could see it being used for a stylized effect, or rendering flat objects, but I don't think this justifies changing the line tool fundamentally.  I think you would have a great deal of trouble finding an example of a drawing crosshatched using the line tool. 

So why not change it? Let me reiterate really quick that I'm not advocating for the removal this change, but rather having it as an option, and not the default. I don't think there's anything too fundamentally wrong with this addition, I think it's great as my philosophy is the more features the merrier.

The first reason is that to my knowledge every other software doesn't have this function, and use hard lines as the default. I know this isn't the best reason, but I think a feeling of familiarity when using a new app is essential.
The second reason is that if this is the only option, it removes the ability of creating those consistent hard lines without changing brush settings which is very inconvenient.

I hope it is understood that I don't mean anything personal, and don't really have any stake in this but I just figured I would give my two cents about this change. Thank you!