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Title: Natural pigment color mixing - BETA
Post by: Lucky Clan on February 02, 2023, 10:16:49 AM
We are very proud to publish new beta with pigment blending. Please post your feedback in this thread! If anybody wants to joins beta tests please contact us be email: [email protected].

How to use it:
- change layer blending mode from Normal to Pigment (not necessary)
- in tool settings change Color Mixing to Pigment (the other option is changing tool blending from Normal to Pigment)
- it works with any brush

Others:
- you can also use Pigment mixing in Gradient tool
- added Pigments color swatches group
- added Pigments brush group
- added Pigments gradients group
Title: Re: Natural pigment color mixing - BETA
Post by: LCArt on February 02, 2023, 11:06:00 AM
Quick test with red, yellow and blue:
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1033744534380761179/1070734076224487455/IMG_3890.png)
The colors are so vibrant and pop out nicely <3

Is it normal that the beta app asks me for subscription? I already have the full version. It would help testing the app more if i could save ^^U
Title: Re: Natural pigment color mixing - BETA
Post by: Lucky Clan on February 02, 2023, 12:16:35 PM
In beta you can enable full version in Preferences > Geneeal
Title: Re: Natural pigment color mixing - BETA
Post by: LCArt on February 02, 2023, 12:18:00 PM
In beta you can enable full version in Preferences > Geneeal
oooh, nice, thanks :)
Title: Re: Natural pigment color mixing - BETA
Post by: LCArt on February 02, 2023, 06:08:15 PM
one bug i found so far, looks like using "current and below" with pigment brushes makes the canvas flash
Title: Re: Natural pigment color mixing - BETA
Post by: Lucky Clan on February 03, 2023, 03:28:11 AM
Please write more details: brush you used, layer structure, layer blending, tool blending etc

one bug i found so far, looks like using "current and below" with pigment brushes makes the canvas flash
Title: Re: Natural pigment color mixing - BETA
Post by: LCArt on February 03, 2023, 10:56:55 AM
brush: wet brush > digital gloss
brush config changed: general > blending > pigment
In the wet paint options accessed from the left bar at the bottom: color mixing > standard, blending > pigment, sample > current and below

The blinking happens to layers above the ones you are drawing, for example the lineart layer when you paint below it. It doesn't happen 100% of the time but often enough to notice the bug

Unrelated (i think) but the bug that doesn't refresh the canvas is back too, the one that shows a pixelated version of the drawing until you pan, zoom, etc
Title: Re: Natural pigment color mixing - BETA
Post by: Lucky Clan on February 03, 2023, 01:01:46 PM
I cannot reproduce that.
Title: Re: Natural pigment color mixing - BETA
Post by: icezimy on February 03, 2023, 02:54:14 PM
Hey!

I'm so happy to finally test the new beta! It's amazing so far!
Here are a few things and bugs I've noticed so far:

General bugs:

1) When importing an image into the reference view while a Bluetooth controller (8bitdo zero 2) is connected, it somehow disconnects it until the app restarted. (This is an issue outside of the beta too, with the version currently available on the AppStore)

2) When trying to open an existing file that has “missing fonts” (fonts that are not currently imported into ASP already) it doesn’t open the document at all and gets stuck in an endless loading cycle until the app is restarted.

3) Same files generally seems to have longer loading times to open them, than in the current AppStore version.

Pigment Bugs:

I’ve used the standard "hard dyn opacity round" as brush tool and "light smudge" as smudge tool for testing the pigment options:

4) I can't seem to get the pigment option with the "layer blending mode" option to work at all. It behaves like a normal layer.

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one bug i found so far, looks like using "current and below" with pigment brushes makes the canvas flash
Can’t seem to replicate that one either

Suggestions:

5) Could there be a way to globally enable the pigment option inside the settings, instead of each brush/layer individually ? Similarly to how it was recently implemented to automatically have the "opacity slider" set as default for each brush, an automatic global "pigment option" would be very nice too (I think most people will probably use it for all their brushes anyway). I also use brushes mainly out of the "favorites" panel and right now, you have to manually turn the pigment option on again every time you switch the brush or tool. (Unless I manually re-save each brush/tool with the pigment option, which will take a lot of time).

6) Nothing to do with the new Pigments. But maybe now could be a good time to also introduce a way to let users choose a fully custom accent color for the UI? This has been suggested in the past a few times, but I think it would be great to be able to choose your own accent color in addition to one of the few that can be selected right now. Either via a color wheel or even just with a hex code. Just wanted to bring this up again, since it’s all about colors now! :D

I'm also very happy to see that the pigment option works together with other layer blending modes like "color dodge" or “multiply”. And that exporting into other programs/formats doesn't seems to mess with the colors. This is such a huge game changer over all!

I'm testing on the 2021/ 12.9 iPad Pro / M1 / 512GB.
3240x4050px canvas, 50%grey background, sRGB color mode

Thanks for the great work Lucky Clan! :)
Title: Re: Natural pigment color mixing - BETA
Post by: Lucky Clan on February 03, 2023, 03:17:46 PM
There are 2 places to turn on pigment feature:
1. Pigment blending in Layers panel (not needed when you paint on opaque layer or you use a single layer for everything)
2. Pigment mode (or pigment blending) in Tool options

Bugs: i will be fixing them next week
Title: Re: Natural pigment color mixing - BETA
Post by: icezimy on February 03, 2023, 04:20:17 PM
1. Pigment blending in Layers panel (not needed when you paint on opaque layer or you use a single layer for everything)

I see now. It works with 2 different layers set to “Pigment”. I think it would be good if it would also work on a single layer. So when the layer is set to Pigment, it blends everything on this layer with the pigment mode even when using a non-pigment brush. (In addition to it interacting with other pigment layers like it does currently)

Same applies to when changing the layer blending mode of a whole group to Pigment. You would except that all layers inside the group to behave accordingly, but that’s not the case right now.

3) Same files generally seems to have longer loading times to open them, than in the current AppStore version.

It fixed itself after restarting the iPad and App!
Title: Re: Natural pigment color mixing - BETA
Post by: Lucky Clan on February 03, 2023, 04:26:36 PM
Yes, we are also considering option to turn on Pigment feature by just setting layer blending to Pigment. It would then change  tool mode to Pigment as well.
Title: Re: Natural pigment color mixing - BETA
Post by: icezimy on February 03, 2023, 04:34:53 PM
Yes it would make more sense for it to behave like other layer blending modes
Title: Re: Natural pigment color mixing - BETA
Post by: Lucky Clan on February 03, 2023, 04:39:33 PM
It would be like other blending modes, it would just automatically turn on Pigment mode in Paint / Wet Paint / Smudge tools. Now you have to do 2 things:
1. Change Layer blending mode to Pigment
2. Change tool mode from Standard to Pigment

After change you will have to only change layer blending mode

Yes it would make more sense for it to behave like other layer blending modes
Title: Re: Natural pigment color mixing - BETA
Post by: icezimy on February 03, 2023, 04:46:26 PM
But if I would then switch to a “Normal” layer or any other layer with a different layer blending mode than Pigment, will it then be turned off again in the tool settings automatically? And turn on again if I switch back to the pigment layer?

And besides that, is the “global pigment” option for all brushes, that I suggested above be a possible consideration?
Title: Re: Natural pigment color mixing - BETA
Post by: Lucky Clan on February 03, 2023, 04:52:39 PM
After the change:
Standard / Pigment segment would be removed from Tool Options
Changing layer blending mode to Pigment would automatically lock tool blending mode to Pigment
Changing layer mode from Pigment to anything else would restore to previous tool blending mode
Title: Re: Natural pigment color mixing - BETA
Post by: icezimy on February 03, 2023, 05:06:54 PM
Ah I see. Thanks for explaining! 😅 Yes I personally think it would be better with that change
Title: Re: Natural pigment color mixing - BETA
Post by: Lucky Clan on February 04, 2023, 08:40:21 AM
It's ready in new beta! Now you have to only tap "Pigment" button in Layers panel to start using pigment blending.
Title: Re: Natural pigment color mixing - BETA
Post by: LCArt on February 04, 2023, 11:49:17 AM
I cannot reproduce that.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/709275976638660652/1071471976557838517/SuperimposeV_0788041D-5E76-441C-B0FE-5D70FCDA328B.mov
Title: Re: Natural pigment color mixing - BETA
Post by: LCArt on February 04, 2023, 11:52:55 AM
since it’s all about colors now! :D

+1 to custom accent color and if the dev releases the color coding for layers, it would really be "the colors update" for the app
Title: Re: Natural pigment color mixing - BETA
Post by: icezimy on February 04, 2023, 01:14:04 PM
Yes! +1 for color coding layers, it could be a great way to market the update "find your true colors" , or whatever! 😅
 
Like suggested in this thread

https://www.luckyclan.com/forum/index.php?topic=2757.msg7213#msg7213

For color coding layers it'd be great to have the option to select custom colors as well, which I believe they hinted at with the "..." icon behind the "standard" colors
Title: Re: Natural pigment color mixing - BETA
Post by: LCArt on February 04, 2023, 01:20:20 PM
Yes! +1 for color coding layers, it could be a great way to market the update "find your true colors" , or whatever! 😅
 
Like suggested in this thread

https://www.luckyclan.com/forum/index.php?topic=2757.msg7213#msg7213

For color coding layers it'd be great to have the option to select custom colors as well, which I believe they hinted at with the "..." icon behind the "standard" colors

an easy and helpful way would be having a similar to current color panel open to pick the colors, so you can use your own swatches for the accents or the layers, but yeah, im super excited for this, hope its added, can see myself using it in every project :)
Title: Re: Natural pigment color mixing - BETA
Post by: icezimy on February 04, 2023, 02:36:27 PM
It's ready in new beta! Now you have to only tap "Pigment" button in Layers panel to start using pigment blending.

Hmm I just tested it, don’t think it’s the best way to got about it… It’d make more sense to keep it in the “layer blending” drop down than to dedicate a new button to it, or to keep it in the menu that opens when clicking on the layer.

Also, while it works on a single layer now, it’s still not really behaving like a layer blending mode. When turning the pigment option off again, it doesn’t change the painted strokes back to the “normal blending” only new strokes will then blend “normal”. It would be like using the color dodge layer blending mode, and then even when turning it off, it wouldn’t change back to “normal”. And when using a whole group, it also only affects new layers that are added and not the ones already in it. It’s all very confusing right now.

Maybe the easiest solution would be to remove it completely as a layer blending option, and only leave it as an option for the brushes? At least if it’s not possible to make it behave like all the other layer blending options right now.
Title: Re: Natural pigment color mixing - BETA
Post by: icezimy on February 04, 2023, 02:38:05 PM
Quote
an easy and helpful way would be having a similar to current color panel open to pick the colors, so you can use your own swatches for the accents or the layers, but yeah, im super excited for this, hope its added, can see myself using it in every project :)

Yes agree, that would be amazing!😊
Title: Re: Natural pigment color mixing - BETA
Post by: Lucky Clan on February 04, 2023, 03:01:09 PM
The whole pigment mechanism is not simple. Generally it is used in 3 places:
1. Layer blending mode (layer is blended with other layers below using pigment mixing)
2. Tool blending mode (strokes are blended with active layer content using pigment mixing)
3. In Wet Paint tool current brush content is mixed with layer content using Pigment mixing.

I first wanted to add separate option for each of that, but it would be too complex for users.
In most cases you will just use pigment blending in all these 3 places, so the single button is ok in my opinion


It's ready in new beta! Now you have to only tap "Pigment" button in Layers panel to start using pigment blending.

Hmm I just tested it, don’t think it’s the best way to got about it… It’d make more sense to keep it in the “layer blending” drop down than to dedicate a new button to it, or to keep it in the menu that opens when clicking on the layer.

Also, while it works on a single layer now, it’s still not really behaving like a layer blending mode. When turning the pigment option off again, it doesn’t change the painted strokes back to the “normal blending” only new strokes will then blend “normal”. It would be like using the color dodge layer blending mode, and then even when turning it off, it wouldn’t change back to “normal”. And when using a whole group, it also only affects new layers that are added and not the ones already in it. It’s all very confusing right now.

Maybe the easiest solution would be to remove it completely as a layer blending option, and only leave it as an option for the brushes? At least if it’s not possible to make it behave like all the other layer blending options right now.
Title: Re: Natural pigment color mixing - BETA
Post by: artofbob on February 04, 2023, 04:30:45 PM
I know in ArtRage it just "does it" (pigment mixing). I don't think there's a way to turn in on or off. Same I think for Painter, and even Paintstorm Studio.

Rebelle Pro has a button you click and then I think, once again, it's just "on" everywhere, all the time.

Some use a separate palette to mix on, as well. This is where having the ability to open two documents side by side (or, at least, independent of each other) would be great. Right now (in the desktop version at least) you can only see one open document at a time, which is not really helpful in any situation as far as I can tell.

Bob
Title: Re: Natural pigment color mixing - BETA
Post by: Pikachu on February 04, 2023, 04:54:18 PM
Wanted to say I love the global pigment mode, much easier and simpler than having to switch on the tool and layer mode

One bug I found is when you have pigment mode turned on a layer, if you make a new layer and then turn off pigment mode for that new layer, it deletes the layer.
Title: Re: Natural pigment color mixing - BETA
Post by: Lucky Clan on February 04, 2023, 05:07:33 PM
Ohh, indeed, thanks for reporting that. We will fix it asap

Wanted to say I love the global pigment mode, much easier and simpler than having to switch on the tool and layer mode

One bug I found is when you have pigment mode turned on a layer, if you make a new layer and then turn off pigment mode for that new layer, it deletes the layer.
Title: Re: Natural pigment color mixing - BETA
Post by: icezimy on February 04, 2023, 05:19:55 PM
Wait, I just realized that with the update, the option to add pigment blending to specific brushes was removed entirely?

That means now with the way it is set up, it’s not even possible to use the pigment option together with other layer blending modes, like color dodge/multiply/etc. and you have to turn it on for each layer individually… that makes no sense imo.

I agree that having just one button to turn it on is a good idea, but it should still be possible to then use other layer blending modes, multiple layers etc., together with the pigment option. Is there no way to make it globally that colors just behave like this, while keeping all other functionalities the same? Like Bob said, that it just “does it” when turning it on. I think a “global button” should then also be within the settings and not inside the layers panel.

Having to turn it on it for each individual layer, and not being able to use other layer blending modes with it, is very restrictive now
Title: Re: Natural pigment color mixing - BETA
Post by: Lucky Clan on February 04, 2023, 05:28:51 PM
Pigment is one of the layer blendings, so you cannot use it together with other layer blendings.

I think you meant to allow to use pigment tool blending with for example Color Dodge layer blending. Indeed, it is not possible now. We will consider to bring back Pigment blending to the list of tool blending modes…


Wait, I just realized that with the update, the option to add pigment blending to specific brushes was removed entirely?

That means now with the way it is set up, it’s not even possible to use the pigment option together with other layer blending modes, like color dodge/multiply/etc. and you have to turn it on for each layer individually… that makes no sense imo.

I agree that having just one button to turn it on is a good idea, but it should still be possible to then use other layer blending modes, multiple layers etc., together with the pigment option. Is there no way to make it globally that colors just behave like this, while keeping all other functionalities the same? Like Bob said, that it just “does it” when turning it on. I think a “global button” should then also be within the settings and not inside the layers panel.
Title: Re: Natural pigment color mixing - BETA
Post by: SamNArt on February 04, 2023, 06:00:25 PM
I think having the pigment mode as a Layer blending mode is actually brilliant and very useful. You can mix colors naturally WHILE having multiple layers. I think it's very convenient. Thanks!
Title: Re: Natural pigment color mixing - BETA
Post by: icezimy on February 04, 2023, 07:27:16 PM
Pigment is one of the layer blendings, so you cannot use it together with other layer blendings.

I think you meant to allow to use pigment tool blending with for example Color Dodge layer blending. Indeed, it is not possible now. We will consider to bring back Pigment blending to the list of tool blending modes…


Wait, I just realized that with the update, the option to add pigment blending to specific brushes was removed entirely?

That means now with the way it is set up, it’s not even possible to use the pigment option together with other layer blending modes, like color dodge/multiply/etc. and you have to turn it on for each layer individually… that makes no sense imo.

I agree that having just one button to turn it on is a good idea, but it should still be possible to then use other layer blending modes, multiple layers etc., together with the pigment option. Is there no way to make it globally that colors just behave like this, while keeping all other functionalities the same? Like Bob said, that it just “does it” when turning it on. I think a “global button” should then also be within the settings and not inside the layers panel.

Yes, that’s what I meant, that was one of the things I was most excited by, as it allows for very nice color variations while using benefits of other layer blending modes too. So it would make sense to bring it back as a tool blending mode, also so one could just use it with specific brushes/smudges only
Title: Re: Natural pigment color mixing - BETA
Post by: Lucky Clan on February 05, 2023, 07:15:34 AM
Please test new beta, it is now possible to just pick "Pigment" blending mode in Layers panel or in Tool panel.
But the most simple way is still just tapping "Pigment" button in Layers panel which turns on Pigment blending mode for both tool and layer.
Title: Re: Natural pigment color mixing - BETA
Post by: LCArt on February 05, 2023, 12:05:51 PM
Please test new beta, it is now possible to just pick "Pigment" blending mode in Layers panel or in Tool panel.
But the most simple way is still just tapping "Pigment" button in Layers panel which turns on Pigment blending mode for both tool and layer.
The bug i reported and sent a video about is still happening in the newest beta, is extremely easy to reproduce
Title: Re: Natural pigment color mixing - BETA
Post by: Lucky Clan on February 05, 2023, 12:47:08 PM
Yes, it will be fixed in the next beta


Please test new beta, it is now possible to just pick "Pigment" blending mode in Layers panel or in Tool panel.
But the most simple way is still just tapping "Pigment" button in Layers panel which turns on Pigment blending mode for both tool and layer.
The bug i reported and sent a video about is still happening in the newest beta, is extremely easy to reproduce
Title: Re: Natural pigment color mixing - BETA
Post by: icezimy on February 05, 2023, 01:36:18 PM
Please test new beta, it is now possible to just pick "Pigment" blending mode in Layers panel or in Tool panel.
But the most simple way is still just tapping "Pigment" button in Layers panel which turns on Pigment blending mode for both tool and layer.

Yes, thank you! It’s great now, for all different situations! 😊
Title: Re: Natural pigment color mixing - BETA
Post by: LCArt on February 05, 2023, 11:27:33 PM
Thanks :) This update is going to rock

Yes, it will be fixed in the next beta


Please test new beta, it is now possible to just pick "Pigment" blending mode in Layers panel or in Tool panel.
But the most simple way is still just tapping "Pigment" button in Layers panel which turns on Pigment blending mode for both tool and layer.
The bug i reported and sent a video about is still happening in the newest beta, is extremely easy to reproduce
Title: Re: Natural pigment color mixing - BETA
Post by: LCArt on February 06, 2023, 01:28:40 PM
just updated and the bug is gone.  ;)
Title: Re: Natural pigment color mixing - BETA
Post by: Lucky Clan on February 06, 2023, 01:38:01 PM
Ok, thanks for feedback

just updated and the bug is gone.  ;)
Title: Re: Natural pigment color mixing - BETA
Post by: artofbob on February 14, 2023, 08:41:37 PM
Plating around with the desktop version, the pigment mixing works great!

The one thing I noticed, is it takes a very light touch to get the mixing to work. If you press just a little too hard, it doesn't really mix.

I'm sure I'm being picky, though.

Bob
Title: Re: Natural pigment color mixing - BETA
Post by: PhoenixDragoon on March 06, 2023, 05:53:26 PM
Would it be possible to add a button to always have Pigment mode ON in the preferences menu? Having to turn it on each time from the layers menu can get tiresome.

Love the app by the way!
Title: Re: Natural pigment color mixing - BETA
Post by: Lucky Clan on March 07, 2023, 04:24:35 PM
I think it is not needed because if you create a new layer it will copy Pigment button state from the active layer
Title: Re: Natural pigment color mixing - BETA
Post by: PhoenixDragoon on March 07, 2023, 11:41:52 PM
I think it is not needed because if you create a new layer it will copy Pigment button state from the active layer

Yeah, but I don't want to activate it on my 400+ files I use to study each time from the layer option xD i want it on all the time. It's like the light interface, I never change it. So having the option imo would be neat. But it's not the end of the world if it's not implemented.

Cheers!
Title: Re: Natural pigment color mixing - BETA
Post by: Lucky Clan on March 08, 2023, 05:23:27 AM
Sorry, we will rather not do it.
Title: Re: Natural pigment color mixing - BETA
Post by: Cris on March 09, 2023, 06:18:41 PM
Hi ! I'm adding this here instead of starting a new thread.  :)
First and foremost, the pigment color mixing is amazing. I had been waiting years for a good implementation of a realistic color mixing in digital. You guys nail it.
Now to the request :)
Can we have the option of the pigment button in que Quick Menu?
Idealy there will be 2 options. The brush pigment button and the one in the layers panel.
Oki-doki.
That’s it.
Thanks for reading and for making ArtStudio :)
Cheers !
Title: Re: Natural pigment color mixing - BETA
Post by: Lucky Clan on March 10, 2023, 03:01:26 AM
Well, ideally there should be 3 options:
1. Set Pigment layer blending
2. Set Pigment tool blending
3. Turn on/off Pigment mode (like Pigment button in Layers panel)

We will consider adding option 3.

Hi ! I'm adding this here instead of starting a new thread.  :)
First and foremost, the pigment color mixing is amazing. I had been waiting years for a good implementation of a realistic color mixing in digital. You guys nail it.
Now to the request :)
Can we have the option of the pigment button in que Quick Menu?
Idealy there will be 2 options. The brush pigment button and the one in the layers panel.
Oki-doki.
That’s it.
Thanks for reading and for making ArtStudio :)
Cheers !
Title: Re: Natural pigment color mixing - BETA
Post by: Cris on March 10, 2023, 02:56:36 PM
Well, ideally there should be 3 options:
1. Set Pigment layer blending
2. Set Pigment tool blending
3. Turn on/off Pigment mode (like Pigment button in Layers panel)

We will consider adding option 3.

Hi ! I'm adding this here instead of starting a new thread.  :)
First and foremost, the pigment color mixing is amazing. I had been waiting years for a good implementation of a realistic color mixing in digital. You guys nail it.
Now to the request :)
Can we have the option of the pigment button in que Quick Menu?
Idealy there will be 2 options. The brush pigment button and the one in the layers panel.
Oki-doki.
That’s it.
Thanks for reading and for making ArtStudio :)
Cheers !

Great !  :)
Thanks  !!!
Title: Re: Natural pigment color mixing - BETA
Post by: artofbob on March 14, 2023, 02:13:43 PM
The pigment mixing is affecting locked layers. I like to work with a "toned" layer underneath the painting layers, but I don't want to affect that layer, so I put all three locks on and the pigment mixing is still affected by the locked layer.

Is there a way to avoid this?

Bob
Title: Re: Natural pigment color mixing - BETA
Post by: Lucky Clan on March 15, 2023, 06:03:33 AM
Please test it in version 5.1.5.

If it is still wrong please send me the document in which i can reproduce this issue.

The pigment mixing is affecting locked layers. I like to work with a "toned" layer underneath the painting layers, but I don't want to affect that layer, so I put all three locks on and the pigment mixing is still affected by the locked layer.

Is there a way to avoid this?

Bob
Title: Re: Natural pigment color mixing - BETA
Post by: artofbob on March 15, 2023, 10:43:30 AM
It works if the the brush is set to Pigment and the layer is set to normal. If the Layer is set to Pigment, then it still mixes with the locked layer.

Bob
Title: Re: Natural pigment color mixing - BETA
Post by: Lucky Clan on March 15, 2023, 06:35:35 PM
Please send me a document where i can reproduce this issue.
[email protected]
Title: Re: Natural pigment color mixing - BETA
Post by: barel on March 17, 2023, 10:13:28 AM
smudge interaction with pigment layers is pretty bad right now
pictured is the smudge over a single color sampling current layer only (layer set to pigment)
Title: Re: Natural pigment color mixing - BETA
Post by: LCArt on March 18, 2023, 06:50:06 AM
smudge interaction with pigment layers is pretty bad right now
pictured is the smudge over a single color sampling current layer only (layer set to pigment)
Tried using some of the pigment group brushes that are included in the update? If it still looks bad then is an app issue; if it looks good, its a brush issue, a lot of my custom brushes look bad and require some fixing on my end because they dont blend as well in this new mode, but is not an app issue, they were just not configured properly for this mode.
Telling you this because the smudging of the pigment group brushes look REALLY good, my fav is "pigment block smudge", if it works for you try checking the differences in configuration of your brush and the one that worked for you from the pigment group.
Hope it helps ^^U
Title: Re: Natural pigment color mixing - BETA
Post by: barel on March 21, 2023, 12:51:30 PM
A basic smudge brush darkening a solid colour for literally no reason is entirely an app issue, and the pigment group smudge brushes exhibit the same behaviour because again, the fundamental interaction between the smudge tool and pigment layer is really bad
The engine has a lot of issues even outside the context, and I made multiple threads reporting these
Title: Re: Natural pigment color mixing - BETA
Post by: LCArt on March 21, 2023, 11:46:40 PM
A basic smudge brush darkening a solid colour for literally no reason is entirely an app issue, and the pigment group smudge brushes exhibit the same behaviour because again, the fundamental interaction between the smudge tool and pigment layer is really bad
The engine has a lot of issues even outside the context, and I made multiple threads reporting these
unless you give more info about brushes used, layers composition, etc.... it works perfectly fine for me
Title: Re: Natural pigment color mixing - BETA
Post by: Lucky Clan on March 22, 2023, 06:56:29 AM
There can be some issues when using Smudge in Pigment mode. That is because app has to constantly convert from RGB values to "pigment" values, there may happen some roundings that cause this issue.

Please give me an RGB value of the color where the issue is the most visible, and send be the brush you used (to [email protected]), i will check if it is possible to fix.
Title: Re: Natural pigment color mixing - BETA
Post by: barel on March 22, 2023, 03:44:23 PM
It’s hard to say where it’s the most apparent, by it feels fleshy tones are the most obvious, try eac79d / 234 199 157
I’m getting the effect with almost every brush to varying degree, but it’s easily replicable with the default classic smudge in the smudging group, as seen in the image. The only thing I’ve done is set the layer to pigment and used the smudge on the same layer.
The only setting I’ve found to affect this is wetness at 100% minimising the effect drastically, probably because it doesn’t sample the darkened areas so it doesn’t snowball from there.
Thanks.

Edit: Not sure if this helps, but when used with pure white, the effect is clearly pushing towards red
Edit2: This is an issue with the smudge engine that I’ve noticed long before this update, but is really exacerbated in combination with the pigment mode. The last image shows the same default classic smudge brush used on a pure white layer and producing a similar artefact without using the pigment mode, but much more subdued, lacking the reed tint, and requiring overworking the area more, so the issue likely doesn’t actually lie in the pigment mode itself.
Title: Re: Natural pigment color mixing - BETA
Post by: Lucky Clan on March 23, 2023, 05:23:24 AM
I used "eac79d" color and Classic Smudge brush, and everything works fine.

It’s hard to say where it’s the most apparent, by it feels fleshy tones are the most obvious, try eac79d / 234 199 157
I’m getting the effect with almost every brush to varying degree, but it’s easily replicable with the default classic smudge in the smudging group, as seen in the image. The only thing I’ve done is set the layer to pigment and used the smudge on the same layer.
The only setting I’ve found to affect this is wetness at 100% minimising the effect drastically, probably because it doesn’t sample the darkened areas so it doesn’t snowball from there.
Thanks.

Edit: Not sure if this helps, but when used with pure white, the effect is clearly pushing towards red
Edit2: This is an issue with the smudge engine that I’ve noticed long before this update, but is really exacerbated in combination with the pigment mode. The last image shows the same default classic smudge brush used on a pure white layer and producing a similar artefact without using the pigment mode, but much more subdued, lacking the reed tint, and requiring overworking the area more, so the issue likely doesn’t actually lie in the pigment mode itself.
Title: Re: Natural pigment color mixing - BETA
Post by: barel on March 23, 2023, 07:41:26 AM
I reinstalled the app, same thing.
I didn’t expect it to fix anything because I already reinstalled to get rid of the tool delay recently.
This is on a 2nd gen ipad pro 12.9”

https://litter.catbox.moe/0qq1ij.MOV
here is a video showing a fresh install producing the same effect
Title: Re: Natural pigment color mixing - BETA
Post by: Lucky Clan on March 23, 2023, 09:23:48 AM
It seems it happens on older iPads, i reproduced that on one iPad Pro from 2017. It is all ok on iPad Pro from 2018.
Older iPads have lower precision in GPU, and it causes this issue.
I'm afraid we cannot fix that, sorry.


I reinstalled the app, same thing.
I didn’t expect it to fix anything because I already reinstalled to get rid of the tool delay recently.
This is on a 2nd gen ipad pro 12.9”

https://litter.catbox.moe/0qq1ij.MOV
here is a video showing a fresh install producing the same effect
Title: Re: Natural pigment color mixing - BETA
Post by: Sven-Luigi Schmidt-Wu-etc on April 26, 2023, 04:01:28 PM
Congratulations and thank you very much for the Pigment feature. I won't tell you how many DECADES I've waited for this.

I just got back into digital painting, and I discovered that during my "absence" several other apps also implemented this, but since Artstudio Pro is the best (along with Rebelle), I'm now in heaven! (well, almost, I still must check how my old custom watercolor brushes behave, and glazing too).

Cheers!  ;D