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Support => Suggestions, Ideas, Bugs => Topic started by: lastaccess on August 12, 2020, 08:07:18 AM

Title: Some UI suggestions for Beta
Post by: lastaccess on August 12, 2020, 08:07:18 AM
Some suggestions about UI tweaks. 2 pictures: before and after. Imho, that makes visual aesthetics better and gives us more space.

And again speaking about color picking by double tap on apple pencil 2 gen. Color picking in full screen mode works better. I think these color swatches showing on the left side slow the picker work. Also, color picking by double tap in current 2.4 version works significantly faster then in 3.0. In stable version there is no lags at all. In beta its nightmare to work with it, seriosly. Hope this app would be perfect one day. Best wishes.
Title: Re: Some UI suggestions for Beta
Post by: Jack Ofalltrades on August 13, 2020, 06:28:09 AM
I have made similar suggestions in another post, space is definitely not used well. There’s a lot of work to be done for the interface, that should be the priority after 3.0 , although the current beta is not much of an improvement either and many parts actually worse than before. Features are great, but Interface was always the weakness of Artstudio  :'(
Title: Re: Some UI suggestions for Beta
Post by: lastaccess on August 13, 2020, 08:27:56 AM
I agree. All 3.0 version is about design, there are not that much new functions. And that is right direction. Artstudio in aspects of functionality is much better then Procreate. But Procreate is much more popular because of its clean design.

And some changes are worth then current version. I still can’t get used to new transform. Buttons scattered in 3 different places.

Title: Re: Some UI suggestions for Beta
Post by: Jack Ofalltrades on August 13, 2020, 09:11:22 AM
Right, the new transform interface (and every other with the same principle) is crazy. They removed important functions into single button on the left and made them hard to access, while leaving unnecessary buttons on the screen. Good to see I am not the only one criticizing these things. Lucky clan clearly needs help with the interface.
Title: Re: Some UI suggestions for Beta
Post by: lastaccess on August 24, 2020, 06:32:52 AM
The more I draw in 3.0 version, the more I feel that 2.4 version is more comfortable.

1. Nine slots Quickmenu is better for me. Buttons are big and you do actions quicker, while you spend time to choose small buttons in new version of Quickmenu. Nine slots is enough for me to have the most used shortcuts on it.
2. Left bar with size ond opacity bar is inconvenient. It's much easier to operate it with Apple pencil when its in the bottom. It would be perfect in the top bar. As I can see in many videos of professional artists who use Procreate (it has same left bar for size/opacity), they don't use their left hand to operate with it, prefer touches with Apple pencil.
3. I wrote about scaterring of buttons in transform tool and some other tools in 3.0 version. In 2.4 version it looks much better.

What I like about 3.0?
1. Customizable tool buttons in the top of screen.
2. Undocked color and layers windows. Possibility to open them both at the same time. But they need to be refurbished in terms of cutting of unnecesary information, which will lead to more free space.
Title: Re: Some UI suggestions for Beta
Post by: lastaccess on September 07, 2020, 09:58:05 AM
Good job, refined layers panel same width as color panel is cleaner and good looking. Still, I suggest to make brush size/opacity bar floating too. Here on screenshot I explain why it matters.

Also, there is small inconvenience atm, when you try to choose color swatches after round color box, color panel becomes too long. I’d suggested to make fixed size for all possible modes (round, square, swatches and number).

Thanks for your work.
Title: Re: Some UI suggestions for Beta
Post by: lastaccess on September 08, 2020, 07:09:14 AM
And a few more suggestions.
1. You can see on screenshot, that opening of the main menu ruins all panel placing, moving it down. This main menu can be on top of all to prevent it.
2. Would be good to make possible to hide categories of brushes (i use brushes only from my own category). And make possible to make window possible a bit shorter. Now you can make it only longer.
Title: Re: Some UI suggestions for Beta
Post by: Lucky Clan on September 08, 2020, 10:08:36 AM
Thanks for all your suggestions. We implemented some of the, the other will be considered in version 3.1.
Title: Re: Some UI suggestions for Beta
Post by: barel on September 10, 2020, 04:59:50 AM
I made a feedback report on the beta, but I am not sure I communicated my thoughts clearly, so I’ll post here too.

First of all, great work on the new version, the app is better than ever, but I have one issue with the new UI in that it slows down tool switching, at least for me.
Namely, now that the pencil tool is no longer a tool, but an option for the paint tool, instead of simply selecting either tool to switch between different brushes and tools, now I need to open the brush panel, select the brush, open the menu, toggle the hard edges mode, then do the same again to switch to the other. It adds unnecessary steps, yet doesn’t really do anything of benefit as far as I can tell. It’s one less icon in the toolbar, but it means people need to go through extra menus to use it and then go through those menus again not to use it, and the problem is increased by an order of magnitude if they use the mode with a different brush and switch back and forth.
Similarly, the auto clean/load toggles that have been removed from the quick access menu (the “...” button) when using the wet brush tool mean that people now need to go through multiple menus to get to them.
Title: Re: Some UI suggestions for Beta
Post by: Husketch on September 10, 2020, 06:54:35 AM
Some UI issues I have with ArtStudio:

1- sliders instead of number boxes. Right now you must tap on the number to get the sliders, I think it’s much more intuitive and pleasing to the users if there is a slider that is ready to use (a number box can be next to it for example).

I feel this is important especially in the brush settings, right now the brush editing window doesn’t look very friendly with huge text areas and number boxes ...

2- Elasitfy : it would be awesome if you don’t need to click 3 times to change the Elastify mode.... these modes should be one tap away . Not 3 .

Thanks for all the great work on V3 so far!

Title: Re: Some UI suggestions for Beta
Post by: lastaccess on September 10, 2020, 10:04:33 AM
now that the pencil tool is no longer a tool, but an option for the paint tool, instead of simply selecting either tool to switch between different brushes and tools, now I need to open the brush panel, select the brush, open the menu, toggle the hard edges mode, then do the same again to switch to the other. It adds unnecessary steps, yet doesn’t really do anything of benefit as far as I can tell.

You can put your brushes to favorite presets. It remembers hard edge option there.
Title: Re: Some UI suggestions for Beta
Post by: Lucky Clan on September 10, 2020, 02:40:55 PM
Hard Edge - i’m still not sure if it should be tool option or brush option...

Elastify modes available on one tap - i agree, we will do it asap

Slider instead of boxes - there is no space, in some cases sliders would be very small. But i saw nice new Textfield control in ios 14, but we will use it....
Title: Re: Some UI suggestions for Beta
Post by: lastaccess on September 10, 2020, 03:14:13 PM
There is bug after previous version that was yesterday. Today’s last version still has this bug.

If one or two panels (layers, colors) are opened, brushes panel can’t be opened. You need to close all panels and then you can open only one panel at once only.

Also, if you tap on layer or color panels icon, they open. Tap again on icon, they close. If you tap on brush panel icon, you can’t close it by tapping icon again, you need to tap on [ x] on brush panel, which feels unconsistent.
Title: Re: Some UI suggestions for Beta
Post by: Lucky Clan on September 11, 2020, 02:44:15 PM
Both fixed in todays beta.

I also added segment control to quickly change mode in Elastify
Title: Re: Some UI suggestions for Beta
Post by: lastaccess on September 11, 2020, 05:17:29 PM
1. Orange looks good.
2. Transform looks good.
3. Elastify looks good.

Is it possible to make fixed height for color panel modes? Atm, it makes mess for perfectionists :)
Title: Re: Some UI suggestions for Beta
Post by: Husketch on September 12, 2020, 02:56:21 AM
Elastify looks great :) thanks!

Orange : looks cool but can it be optional to change in the Interface settings?
Title: Re: Some UI suggestions for Beta
Post by: Lucky Clan on September 12, 2020, 03:46:55 AM
About fixed height of color panel - no problem to do it for square, sliders and swatches modes. But how to how to fit wheel mode if use bigger height?
Title: Re: Some UI suggestions for Beta
Post by: Lucky Clan on September 12, 2020, 03:47:37 AM
Elastify looks great :) thanks!

Orange : looks cool but can it be optional to change in the Interface settings?

No, making optional orange is too much work for the moment.
Title: Re: Some UI suggestions for Beta
Post by: lastaccess on September 12, 2020, 06:17:00 AM
About fixed height of color panel - no problem to do it for square, sliders and swatches modes. But how to how to fit wheel mode if use bigger height?

Wheel mode can be the same. But all 3 others would be good to have height fixed. Thanks.

Also, if you could make smth like this in the future, that would be perfect.
Title: Re: Some UI suggestions for Beta
Post by: lastaccess on September 12, 2020, 06:53:10 AM
After some time of using transform I found order of buttons a bit confusing: left - down - right -up

left - right - up - down looks a bit more natural
Title: Re: Some UI suggestions for Beta
Post by: Husketch on September 12, 2020, 06:55:04 AM
About fixed height of color panel - no problem to do it for square, sliders and swatches modes. But how to how to fit wheel mode if use bigger height?

Wheel mode can be the same. But all 3 others would be good to have height fixed. Thanks.

Also, if you could make smth like this in the future, that would be perfect.

The example is excellent , although it would be best if the sliders can be collapsed (when not needed) leaving only the color wheel.
Title: Re: Some UI suggestions for Beta
Post by: lastaccess on September 12, 2020, 08:34:38 AM
Or second variant: less vertical space and better looking.
Title: Re: Some UI suggestions for Beta
Post by: Lucky Clan on September 12, 2020, 04:16:36 PM
Thanks, however i have a bit different idea for that, wait for new beta next week.
Title: Re: Some UI suggestions for Beta
Post by: Husketch on September 12, 2020, 06:18:22 PM
I personally love the current ”color box” mode with the hue strip below it. It’s very practical - I hope you keep it!  :) also noticed the frame rate when dragging the color circle within is higher/more responsive in the newest beta, thanks for that!
Title: Re: Some UI suggestions for Beta
Post by: Lucky Clan on September 13, 2020, 04:26:48 AM
Square with strip below will stay. I will maybe add 2 segments in wheel mode: ryg|rgb and square/circle/triangle. This will allow keeping panel height constant.

Yes, framerate should be higher now on older devices, i made some optimizations.
Title: Re: Some UI suggestions for Beta
Post by: barel on September 13, 2020, 05:46:52 PM
Hard Edge - i’m still not sure if it should be tool option or brush option...
Honestly, it’s not a deal breaker or anything, both work, I just got so used to it.
Again, the new update is looking great, and this was already hands down the best art app already imo, well done all around
Title: Re: Some UI suggestions for Beta
Post by: Lucky Clan on September 14, 2020, 12:51:50 PM
After some time of using transform I found order of buttons a bit confusing: left - down - right -up

left - right - up - down looks a bit more natural

It is fixed in new beta, available now.
Title: Re: Some UI suggestions for Beta
Post by: lastaccess on September 15, 2020, 08:03:05 AM
I guess you are already tired about my suggestions, but here are new ones for version 3.1 if you'll find it interesting.

for some server's reason I can't upload screenshot here, so I uploaded it here: https://imgur.com/a/YE2T9IF
Title: Re: Some UI suggestions for Beta
Post by: barel on September 15, 2020, 02:19:40 PM
After going back and forth between v2 and the beta for a while, I’m missing the old/new color comparison in the color panel and the larger, more precise rgb/lab sliders

Edit: Also, not really a UI suggestion, but when I merge two layers with clipping masks, the resulting layer has clipping mask disabled, I think it would improve the workflow if the resulting layer would have the clipping mask on since I don’t think there’s a single scenario when you would want to unclip the layers.
Title: Re: Some UI suggestions for Beta
Post by: lastaccess on September 15, 2020, 05:51:03 PM
In layers panel when you tap on a visibility icon (eye), icon changes its state only when you tap on another layer. I mean, layers is on/off correctly, but indicator of it doesn’t change. In stable version it works ok.
Title: Re: Some UI suggestions for Beta
Post by: Lucky Clan on September 16, 2020, 02:16:20 PM
In layers panel when you tap on a visibility icon (eye), icon changes its state only when you tap on another layer. I mean, layers is on/off correctly, but indicator of it doesn’t change. In stable version it works ok.

Fixed in new beta
Title: Re: Some UI suggestions for Beta
Post by: Lucky Clan on September 16, 2020, 02:17:37 PM
After going back and forth between v2 and the beta for a while, I’m missing the old/new color comparison in the color panel and the larger, more precise rgb/lab sliders

Edit: Also, not really a UI suggestion, but when I merge two layers with clipping masks, the resulting layer has clipping mask disabled, I think it would improve the workflow if the resulting layer would have the clipping mask on since I don’t think there’s a single scenario when you would want to unclip the layers.

old/new color in Colors panel - yes, i will consider re--adding it

Improved merging 2 clipping mask - i agree, we will add it asap
Title: Re: Some UI suggestions for Beta
Post by: Lucky Clan on September 16, 2020, 02:20:10 PM
Autohide menu - yes, i will consider that

Other changes - rather not, sorry

I guess you are already tired about my suggestions, but here are new ones for version 3.1 if you'll find it interesting.

for some server's reason I can't upload screenshot here, so I uploaded it here: https://imgur.com/a/YE2T9IF

Title: Re: Some UI suggestions for Beta
Post by: Lucky Clan on September 17, 2020, 02:41:09 AM
I tested merging two clipping masks, and it works like you described! It creates new clipping-mask layer.

After going back and forth between v2 and the beta for a while, I’m missing the old/new color comparison in the color panel and the larger, more precise rgb/lab sliders

Edit: Also, not really a UI suggestion, but when I merge two layers with clipping masks, the resulting layer has clipping mask disabled, I think it would improve the workflow if the resulting layer would have the clipping mask on since I don’t think there’s a single scenario when you would want to unclip the layers.

old/new color in Colors panel - yes, i will consider re--adding it

Improved merging 2 clipping mask - i agree, we will add it asap
Title: Re: Some UI suggestions for Beta
Post by: lastaccess on September 17, 2020, 04:23:48 AM
If you select two layers with clipping mask and marge it, it becomes 1 layer with clipping mask. This works ok. If you just merge down layer from menu, it merges 2 clipping masks in 1 normal layer.
Title: Re: Some UI suggestions for Beta
Post by: Lucky Clan on September 17, 2020, 04:39:26 AM
Thanks, it's clear now, we will fix it asap


If you select two layers with clipping mask and marge it, it becomes 1 layer with clipping mask. This works ok. If you just merge down layer from menu, it merges 2 clipping masks in 1 normal layer.
Title: Re: Some UI suggestions for Beta
Post by: Husketch on September 18, 2020, 09:57:26 AM
 :) I know it’s maybe a minor thing , and you mentioned the orange accent UI will not be made optional for this release 3.0
But I hope you consider in 3.1 or another release-  to bring back the more “neutral” grayscale UI as an interface option - I think it’s a bit more relaxing and less “in the way”.
Thanks for all the awesome work on 3.0
Title: Re: Some UI suggestions for Beta
Post by: Husketch on September 18, 2020, 07:08:08 PM
There is a little bit of lag when pressing the icons :brush , mix brushes, smudge, erase .
Sometimes when switching between those tools quickly , there is a lag, and the icon doesn’t get activated at the same time when you press it..
Title: Re: Some UI suggestions for Beta
Post by: lastaccess on September 21, 2020, 07:09:25 PM
some bugs with color in gradient map when you edit colors manually.
Title: Re: Some UI suggestions for Beta
Post by: Lucky Clan on September 22, 2020, 08:33:08 AM
Please write more details how to reproduce that.

some bugs with color in gradient map when you edit colors manually.
Title: Re: Some UI suggestions for Beta
Post by: lastaccess on September 22, 2020, 10:34:55 AM
Please write more details how to reproduce that.

some bugs with color in gradient map when you edit colors manually.

It is just visual mismatches of colors when point is checked. Look at screenshot. In 2.4 version it works as it should be.

https://ibb.co/Qnpt2XL

Also, there are different logic of operations, smth broken there.

In 2.4 version you: tap edit gradient map -> tap on step, opens color menu -> you chose color, tap close -> you go to “edit gradient map” window back.

In 3.0 you: tap edit gradient map -> tap on step (color doesn’t change, here is bug), opens color menu -> you chose color, tap close -> you don’t go to “edit gradient map” window back, it’s closed.
Title: Re: Some UI suggestions for Beta
Post by: lastaccess on September 22, 2020, 12:46:03 PM
Please add in selection properties (see screenshot) buttons: reselect, invert selection and transoft. All most used actions should be in one place for better experience, now you need to go to main menu or use quick actions, both variants are not perfect.

https://ibb.co/sWSDMDS
Title: Re: Some UI suggestions for Beta
Post by: lastaccess on September 22, 2020, 01:57:42 PM
Also, I don’t know if this bug of feature.
I have only Apple pencil mode.
When I use lasso and polygon lasso, I can select only with pencil and that’s great.
When I use circle and rectangular selection, I can select also with fingers. And it leads to so many accidental touches, especially when I try to open quick actions with 4 fingers tap. Would be good to disable fingers on these types of selections on pencil only mode.

Also, I made screenshot of color panels that should be ideal in my opinion. I moved color options under 3 lines icon (it makes this window consuming less vertical space and remove excess information which is a bit distracting) and made old/new color. If you make color windows smth like this, it would be perfect solution.

https://ibb.co/h286C06

Thanks.