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Support => Suggestions, Ideas, Bugs => Topic started by: Andych56 on September 29, 2018, 04:29:50 AM

Title: A question regarding creating a new project
Post by: Andych56 on September 29, 2018, 04:29:50 AM
Can anyone tell me if there is an option to create either an 8bit or 16bit file, or convert to either on an image?
What is the default setting on?

Oh and is it possible to pinch zoom down smaller than 48%. Sometimes i like to feel as if I’m standing way back further from the page to check on how the composition and lighting is working.
Title: Re: A question regarding creating a new project
Post by: Lucky Clan on September 29, 2018, 09:16:17 AM
Currently only 8bit mode is supported, sorry.

Zoom out - it is limited so canvas is not too small.
Title: Re: A question regarding creating a new project
Post by: Andych56 on September 29, 2018, 06:10:06 PM
Thank you for the reply.
I hope in a future version these could be updated?  :)
Title: Re: A question regarding creating a new project
Post by: Lucky Clan on September 29, 2018, 06:18:48 PM
Maybe ;)
Title: Re: A question regarding creating a new project
Post by: Andych56 on October 01, 2018, 07:38:46 PM
Maybe ;)
A ‘maybe’ is better than a no  :)
I guess I’m asking coz those things feel like restrictions.
Your app Artstudio is way more than just a painting app, and for me as a digital matte painter it would be great to work away from my desk at times. As you’re aware working in film and TV we don’t use anything less than 16bit.
I’m sure any photo retoucher would also agree.
I’m still loving your app though!
Title: Re: A question regarding creating a new project
Post by: Lucky Clan on October 02, 2018, 12:20:22 PM
The problem is that 16 bit mode used by iPad/iPhone gpu is a bit limited. I mean it is not full 16 bit quality, but rather 12-14 bit (in some cases).
Besides users are not requesting that. This is the first suggestion about 16 bit.
Title: Re: A question regarding creating a new project
Post by: Andych56 on October 02, 2018, 07:35:17 PM
The problem is that 16 bit mode used by iPad/iPhone gpu is a bit limited. I mean it is not full 16 bit quality, but rather 12-14 bit (in some cases).
Besides users are not requesting that. This is the first suggestion about 16 bit.

Thanks for the info, that’s very interesting regarding the 16bit iPad limitation.
In the past I’ve been importing and exporting 16bit PSD files from Affinity Photo Ipad to Photoshop desktop and they’ve worked successfully. Both apps read them as 16bit to and from each other. Especially If they’re coming from the iPad at 12-14bit they’re still recognised as 16bit in photoshop. I can’t really tell if there is any loss in the image?
Maybe as a suggestion you guys could consider raising it to 12-14bit on the iPad in the future when you release Artstudio with its smooth import/export of full PSD files with adjustment layers, curves etc. And/or for when you build the Windows version of Artstudio?
I’m sure once that’s released your market will grow and more requests will come in for that option.
Sorry if I sound pushy, I really want this to be the best app out there, and stand on Adobe’s head.

Loving the new update by the way!  :D
Title: Re: A question regarding creating a new project
Post by: Andych56 on October 22, 2018, 12:35:09 AM
The problem is that 16 bit mode used by iPad/iPhone gpu is a bit limited. I mean it is not full 16 bit quality, but rather 12-14 bit (in some cases).
Besides users are not requesting that. This is the first suggestion about 16 bit.
I’m finding difficult to export a png with a transparency, is this possible and how?
And importing a png into ASP would I use alpha to selection under the Select menu to select the transparency?
We normally use 16bit tiff/tga with an alpha channel but that’s no good in ASP so I have to use a png to do the job.
Oh the joys of working in 8bit  :'(
Title: Re: A question regarding creating a new project
Post by: Lucky Clan on October 22, 2018, 03:16:51 AM
There is problem with PNG with transparency for large canvas size - iOS just does not support PNG with large size.
In this case use TIFF or PSD.
Title: Re: A question regarding creating a new project
Post by: Andych56 on October 22, 2018, 04:03:47 AM
There is problem with PNG with transparency for large canvas size - iOS just does not support PNG with large size.
In this case use TIFF or PSD.
OK PSD is out for the purpose I need it for. There's no options for saving with an alpha as tiff. So if its automatic how do I extract the alpha channel when bringing it back to ASP? Select from alpha doesn't seem to work.
Title: Re: A question regarding creating a new project
Post by: Lucky Clan on October 22, 2018, 07:54:42 AM
It seems it can be improved to support any images (both small and large). It will be done in the next minor update.
Title: Re: A question regarding creating a new project
Post by: Lucky Clan on October 22, 2018, 08:59:50 AM
Ok, i fixed that. The important thing is that is was problem with opening, not saving.

Images saved in System Photo Library were ok, but i had to change the way of loading them. So if you want to open saved file in other app, some of them will load them correctly (Artstudio Pro, Affinity Photo, Pixelmator, ...), but another will load opaque scaled down version (procreate, Paintstorm).
Title: Re: A question regarding creating a new project
Post by: Andych56 on October 22, 2018, 06:12:49 PM
Ok, i fixed that. The important thing is that is was problem with opening, not saving.

Images saved in System Photo Library were ok, but i had to change the way of loading them. So if you want to open saved file in other app, some of them will load them correctly (Artstudio Pro, Affinity Photo, Pixelmator, ...), but another will load opaque scaled down version (procreate, Paintstorm).
Ok great so are you referring to both tiff alpha channels and png transparency or just png trans?
Title: Re: A question regarding creating a new project
Post by: Andych56 on October 22, 2018, 08:51:13 PM
Currently only 8bit mode is supported, sorry.

Zoom out - it is limited so canvas is not too small.
I've noticed there were a few requests for a navigator window. Some artist like to use this to check their composition as its only a small viewer on the side panel. I am also one of these people to do that. I'd like to request a simpler option by unlocking the zoom out to scale down another 50%.

Well, many users are requesting something that is always displayed: navigator box, reference photo box, some buttons, color circle any many other :) If I add them all they will cover the whole canvas :)

Title: Re: A question regarding creating a new project
Post by: Lucky Clan on October 23, 2018, 03:47:21 AM
Ok, i fixed that. The important thing is that is was problem with opening, not saving.

Images saved in System Photo Library were ok, but i had to change the way of loading them. So if you want to open saved file in other app, some of them will load them correctly (Artstudio Pro, Affinity Photo, Pixelmator, ...), but another will load opaque scaled down version (procreate, Paintstorm).
Ok great so are you referring to both tiff alpha channels and png transparency or just png trans?

Yes, tiff/png images stored in Photos will be loaded correctly (with transparency, in original size) in version 2.0.7.
Title: Re: A question regarding creating a new project
Post by: Andych56 on October 23, 2018, 04:21:03 AM
Currently only 8bit mode is supported, sorry.

Zoom out - it is limited so canvas is not too small.
I've noticed there were a few requests for a navigator window. Some artist like to use this to check their composition as its only a small viewer on the side panel. I am also one of these people to do that. I'd like to request a simpler option by unlocking the zoom out to scale down another 50%.

Well, many users are requesting something that is always displayed: navigator box, reference photo box, some buttons, color circle any many other :) If I add them all they will cover the whole canvas :)

I totally understand. Speaking for myself there's a lot of windows we can do without, that's why I was suggesting to unlock the zoom out to help serve with one of the navigator's functions. It doesn't make much sense to lock it from getting too small anyway if you lose track of your image you just have to hit zoom to fit to rescale to full screen.

FYI the UI suggestions I make are what I believe could be great features to speed up the workflow and give options to use keyboard shortcuts inside the app. The buttons are very small as you could see in the 3D sculpting app and how useful they are. The developer told me they are the same as ALT and Shift so the way of working is the same on the desktop. That makes perfect sense to me. A lot of users have a way of working and those ways have all come from Photoshop, I just hope ASP can stay afloat after PS is released on the ipad. However, it is your app and your decision to take these suggestions on board. I only posted them for you to consider in hope that you would see something useful in them. :)
Title: Re: A question regarding creating a new project
Post by: Andych56 on October 23, 2018, 06:24:44 AM
Oh and I had a question regarding the other topic in this thread.
You mentioned not making ASP 16bit because it wasn’t true 16bit on the IPad, it was 10-14bit.
When Adobe releases one of their biggest professional pieces of software (Photoshop) on the iPad, do you think they will only make an 8bit version of it?
Title: Re: A question regarding creating a new project
Post by: Lucky Clan on October 23, 2018, 06:40:58 AM
Well, making 16 bit support in an easy way (in fact 10-14 bit) is rather easy.
Making full 16bit support is also possible, but needs much more work.
32 bit is possible, but it is even harder.

We know that version 1.0 of "full" Photoshop for iPad will be far from "full".
I don't know if they will add 16-bit support.
Title: Re: A question regarding creating a new project
Post by: gregg2g on October 23, 2018, 08:43:42 AM
Andych56, actually, with the use of software programs like "Duet Display," I can monitor my navigation window on my iPad Pro while I work on my iMac. That way, I don't have to keep zooming out to full picture every time I want to look at the full picture.
Title: Re: A question regarding creating a new project
Post by: Andych56 on October 23, 2018, 03:35:48 PM
Andych56, actually, with the use of software programs like "Duet Display," I can monitor my navigation window on my iPad Pro while I work on my iMac. That way, I don't have to keep zooming out to full picture every time I want to look at the full picture.
Glad you found a work around while being on the desktop. I wasn’t aware the desktop version was also limited in features.
Can’t you tell me if it can read and write 16bit files?
Being a PC user I was thinking about installing a virtual machine to run the Mac OS to use ASP.
If it’s not 16bit I won’t bother.
Title: Re: A question regarding creating a new project
Post by: Andych56 on October 23, 2018, 03:48:39 PM
Well, making 16 bit support in an easy way (in fact 10-14 bit) is rather easy.
Making full 16bit support is also possible, but needs much more work.
32 bit is possible, but it is even harder.

We know that version 1.0 of "full" Photoshop for iPad will be far from "full".
I don't know if they will add 16-bit support.
Oh ok so it’s not that it can’t be done making ASP 16bit, it’s that it’s too much work or not a priority?
I’m willing to bet that Photoshop is 16bit or even 32bit on release. I can’t imagine them limiting their customers who pay a subscription for an 8bit app. 8bit is fine for just painting but creating textures for film or photo editing, 16bit is required. The point of their app would be for professionals to work on the go and have a seamless workflow from iPad to desktop.
Title: Re: A question regarding creating a new project
Post by: Nighternet on October 29, 2018, 01:44:46 PM

Zoom out - it is limited so canvas is not too small.

That's why I have to resort to going out to the "desktop" and double-click home button to see the canvas as a thumb.