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Support => Suggestions, Ideas, Bugs => Topic started by: Husketch on December 22, 2017, 04:21:30 AM

Title: Workflow improvement suggestions!
Post by: Husketch on December 22, 2017, 04:21:30 AM
Hello!
New here, first off, thank you for developing this superb app, I'm very impressed that it really feels professional and fast.
Here are some suggestions that I hope to see implemented - which will serve as workflow and productivity enhancements within the app:

1-An option in the preference to "disable eyedropper" by holding Apple Pencil (this way you can make the 'eyedropper delay' setting faster for quick picking with the finger and it won't affect the apple pencil color picking by mistake)

2-Please add the ability to have a smaller version of the color window to be floating on top of the canvas, that will greatly improve the speed of choosing colors- *at least a small floating HSB slider or a color square.*

3-In full screen mode, please add the brush size/flow sliders too. important.

4-An easier and quicker way to create a mask and clipping mask without going through multiple pages through the layer panel or the drop down menu, It would be really great to have simple icon on the layer panel for create clipping mask and create layer mask-This way the icon for the clipping mask can be toggled on/off just like the visibility eye icon.

5-In the Brush Editor , it would be a lot better to have sliders that you can tweak easily for the different brush settings instead of the numeric values which is tedious

6-When testing brush changes in the Brush Editor, it would be great to have an icon on it to "pin" Brush Editor window so that you can test the changes made on the brush right on the canvas without closing the brush editor and reopening all the time.

7- Is there a way to change the color and opacity of the selection Quick Mask ? I didn't see it..


That's all for now,
Thank you very much

H.
Title: Re: Workflow improvement suggestions!
Post by: Lucky Clan on December 22, 2017, 06:35:42 AM
Hi

Thanks for your suggestions. My answers:
1 - we will rather add separate "Eyedropper delay" for Pencil.
2 - color slider - my idea is to add option to display hsb sliders in right toolbar instead of swatches. We will consider adding that.
3 - it is already on my todo list for version 1.1 or 1.2
4 - We will think about it
5 - personally i prefer textfields. After you tap on textfield you can use a slider.
6 - i agree, we will think about
7- no, sorry, it is currently hard-coded
Title: Re: Workflow improvement suggestions!
Post by: Nighternet on December 24, 2017, 06:04:35 AM
+1 on 2,3,4. The best way for the clipping mask is to do it the Photoshop way: by simply dropping one layer onto another.
Title: Re: Workflow improvement suggestions!
Post by: Husketch on December 26, 2017, 03:31:14 PM
Thanks for your response Lucky Clan
Really looking forward to see these updated in ArtStudio :)
Yes there can be more practical use of the right toolbar than just swatches (if a small HSB slider or a color picker is not possible to be floating, they can be implemented on the right)
And yes separating the delay for the colorpicker for Apple Pencil and the finger will be good too.
Thanks!
Title: Re: Workflow improvement suggestions!
Post by: Kappa on January 20, 2018, 11:11:06 AM
All great points. But I especially support number 4. Creation of Layer masks and clipping masks definitely needs to be simplified and work faster. In the very short time i’ve been using the app I dare say this stood out to me as the weakest UX design element so far.

Also the whole approach with the layer masks is a bit confusing. It might be a matter of habit but I feel that it could be more straightforward in how it works.

I think this app has truly amazing potential as a tool for professional illustration work. I’m excited to see how it evolves.
Title: Re: Workflow improvement suggestions!
Post by: Lucky Clan on January 20, 2018, 11:43:28 AM
My goal was to use any layer as a mask, including text layer and vector layer. I had to change well known layer-mask mechanism.  The second goal was to allow to add few mask to a single layer.
Read more about masks In the Artstudio Pro app in Artstudio->FAQ section
Title: Re: Workflow improvement suggestions!
Post by: Kappa on January 20, 2018, 06:07:35 PM
Maybe I haven’t found out how to pull it off but it seems that if a layer or adjustment layer functions under clipping mask it cannot have a layer mask of it’s own as well. That’s a pretty common scenario in my photoshop workflow when illustrating. It would be great if it was possible.
Title: Re: Workflow improvement suggestions!
Post by: Lucky Clan on January 20, 2018, 06:39:13 PM
Could you send me a PSD file with this cade? info@luckyclan.com
Title: Re: Workflow improvement suggestions!
Post by: Kappa on January 21, 2018, 09:23:44 AM
of course!
Title: Re: Workflow improvement suggestions!
Post by: Lucky Clan on January 22, 2018, 03:58:36 AM
Thanks, i opened file in Photoshop and understand the problem.

My solution for this, which is already on my todo list, is option to set Group as mask/clipping mask.
We will add it in version 1.2 or 1.3.
Title: Re: Workflow improvement suggestions!
Post by: Kappa on January 22, 2018, 04:25:18 AM
I see how this could solve this problem. Still though it really doesn’t sound optimal in terms of speed of workflow. A layer mask button at the bottom of the layers panel where you can tap and immediately start working on your mask sounds far more streamlined.

If the only reason you went that way was because you wanted to have layer masks work with vector shapes and type layers I strongly suggest that you should consider having a special kind of mask option for those layers under the layer menus (since they’re going to be used far less frequently) and keep layer and clipping masks for the default bitmap layers as fast and accessible as possible.

I’ve been using this app non stop all weekend and the biggest most noticeable bottleneck in speed of workflow I experienced so far was when I got into layer and clipping masks.

Thank you for giving that much attention to your user feedback. I really appreciate it.
Title: Re: Workflow improvement suggestions!
Post by: Lucky Clan on January 22, 2018, 07:10:05 AM
I spent months analyzing different ways of implementing masks/clipping masks and thinking how to implement that.
In my opinion the biggest limitation of masks in apps like Affinity/Photoshop etc is that mask can be only "raster" type.
In my solution it is solved. After i will add option to use groups as mask/clipping mask there will be no limitation.
I don't want any "special" masks.

Besides in version 1.1 there will be option to "Add mask from selection" which will make adding mask faster
Title: Re: Workflow improvement suggestions!
Post by: Kappa on January 22, 2018, 07:17:47 AM
Ok, you’re suggesting something completely new here. I respect that. I’ll wait to see it in practice when you have implemented all the features you have in mind. Maybe it would be much better that way. I’d surely be the first to admit it. :)
Title: Re: Workflow improvement suggestions!
Post by: Nighternet on January 23, 2018, 03:50:50 AM
Not sure I understand "only raster" in PS or AP. Are you planning to support vectors? Using layer groups as masks is great of course. But considered the memory problems, going wild with many layers is not practical on iPad for hi-res.
Title: Re: Workflow improvement suggestions!
Post by: Lucky Clan on January 23, 2018, 04:59:38 AM
Currently you can use a both raster layer and "text" layer as a mask or clipping mask. And Text layer can is kind of vector layer. I'm going to add normal vector layers in the future. Why do you think many layers are not practical for iPad?
Title: Re: Workflow improvement suggestions!
Post by: Nighternet on January 27, 2018, 04:10:26 AM
For a decent size giclee print one needs at least 8000 px artwork (ideally it should be much bigger). How many layers can a file have on iPad before it slows to a crawl? Screen resolutions of course may have more layers. 4K screens are the reality (and not very expensive). 8K will be available soon.
Title: Re: Workflow improvement suggestions!
Post by: Lucky Clan on January 27, 2018, 06:08:06 AM
I see. Indeed max Ram size in iOS devices is 4GB in iPad Pro 12.9. App can use about a half to be stable.
One layer 8000x8000 consumes about 256MB of RAM. So indeed app will slow down a lot after adding more that 5-6 layers.
You can do the following things to save a bit of memory:
- keep only one document open
- limit undo steps to just 2-3 (Artstudio->Preferences)
Title: Re: Workflow improvement suggestions!
Post by: Kappa on January 28, 2018, 05:23:48 AM
Here’s a list of suggestions and a couple of problems I runned into after using the app (iPad version) extensively all week for actual illustration work.


1. Two/three finger tap undo/redo gesture that keeps undoing or redoing when you tap and hold.

2. The lock icon on the upper part of the layer panel could work with a single tap as alpha lock and have all the others options on a tap and hold menu. Alternatively a gesture for alpha lock could do the trick.

3. A brush cursor

4. Needing an extra tap to focus back in the workspace when a panel is open could be optional under preferences.

5.Faster/simpler multiple layer selection would be really nice. Procreate’s right swipe for adding layers to your selection is a very elegant and efficient solution.

6. Masking modes (add,subtract,intersect) could be individually visible on the bottom tool bar for immediate access as icons so the won’t take too much space. That way they could also work with tap and hold as well, so you can change modes rapidly for brief masking corrections and return to default mode (new) upon release.

7. Another suggestion for masking is that the freehand lasso could stay editable without closing the mask when you pick up the stylus from the screen. That way you’re able to continue masking free hand or by anchor points until you close the mask. I always thought it made more sense for the lasso tool to work that way and to my surprise Procreate is the only app so far that adopted this approach.

8. Tap and hold one finger on screen to lock polygonal lasso to 45 degrees increments. That feature could also be useful elsewhere in the app like the rotation in transform mode for example.

9. More accessible drawing modes. I think the most commonly used mode other than freehand is straight lines. A shortcut for that one would also be nice. The straight line feature in procreate for example, the one that your brushstroke turns into a straight line if you hold down the pen after a stroke is really helpful.

10. More accessible color editor. Maybe double tap on any of the color swatches on the side bar or moving the button for the color editor on the top of that side bar.

11. This one is a luxury and definitely not a necessity but I would love the option of gamut masking on a color wheel as a different color editing mode.

12. The Move tool should be able to deletes guides by dragging them outside of both edges of the workspace. Not just the one they were dragged in from.

And here’s some problems.

A) Sometimes my hand is making marks with the brush even though I have “pencil only” mode enabled. I need to press the upper right button (pen/touch toggle) a couple of times to get it back on track.

B) The lasso tool sometimes does not register the mask. Especially when adding or subtracting. It makes the first anchor point but then it cancels the mask after a couple of clicks. Some times it doesn’t even registering at all.

C) The masking tools are registering input from hand even when the “pencil only” mode is on.

D) Exporting to psd sometimes doesn’t work immediately. After choosing psd it starts to calculate but never stops. I had to try a dozen times more before it made the export. These were just 3Mb- 4Mb files with 5 layers maximum and all other export formats were working just fine.

E) The app kept crushing when organizing the favorite tools list. I currently have 46 items. Mostly brushes and couple of erasers.









Title: Re: Workflow improvement suggestions!
Post by: Lucky Clan on January 29, 2018, 03:30:06 AM
1. We will do it in future versions.
2. I like it, we will do it.
3. It is already planned for version 1.1
4. It is done - it will be available in version 1.1
5. We will consider adding this
6. We will consider this
7. We will do it in version 1.1 or 1.2
8. It can be useful, we will think about it.
9. We will think about it.
10. We will think about it
11. Maybe later
12. I agree, we will do it in 1.1 or 1.2; Update: device cannot detect touches outsize the screen, so delete when dragging out to the left or bottom is not possible on iOS devices. This is already working on Mac.

A) It was fixed in version 1.0.11.
B) I reproduced that, this is very rare, i will try to fix it asap
C) We will fix it asap
D) Please send me artstudio docuemnt that has problems with PSD export, i will try to reproduce it. Tell me also which iPad model and iOS version are you using.
E) When exactly does it crash? Could you send me file named "Tools" with all favorite presets (go to Files app->On My iPad->Artstudio Pro->User Resoources->Presets->Favourites->Tools
Title: Re: Workflow improvement suggestions!
Post by: Kappa on January 29, 2018, 05:49:30 AM
D) Please send me artstudio docuemnt that has problems with PSD export, i will try to reproduce it. Tell me also which iPad model and iOS version are you using.


I’m afraid the files are work related and I can’t share them but here is the thing. It turns out the problem is probably not file related. I tried to export another file as a psd right now and it didn’t work. In fact, I’m unable to export any file as psd right now. It gets stuck in calculating after choosing “psd”. It doesn’t crash though. You can still hit cancel and choose another format. It just won’t export psd specifically. Let me know if you’re still interested in taking a look at a file that couldn’t export, I can send you one.

My setup is an iPad Pro 12.9” (2017) 512gb on  iOS 11.2.2 (15C202)


E) When exactly does it crash? Could you send me file named "Tools" with all favorite presets (go to Files app->On My iPad->Artstudio Pro->User Resoources->Presets->Favourites->Tools

If I remember correctly it was either when adding a new one (add current) or when I was in edit mode in the favorites panel trying to rearrange the tools. Another weird thing is that when I was rearranging a brush on edit mode dragging it up or down in the list, if I had to drag it enough to make the list scroll up or down it ended up moving a different brush than the one I was dragging. If the dragging didn’t involved scrolling the rearrangement worked fine.

I found the tools file but it’s over 180mb. Should I upload it and send you a wetransfer link?
Title: Re: Workflow improvement suggestions!
Post by: Lucky Clan on January 29, 2018, 06:14:08 AM
Kappa: Maybe it is problem with low free disk space on your iPad? Both fav tools and psd export sometimes need hundreds of MBs.
Title: Re: Workflow improvement suggestions!
Post by: Kappa on January 29, 2018, 06:36:12 AM
I think it’s safe to assume it’s not due to disk space. I still have 480gb available.

Btw I have quite a lot of brushes installed. They might be over 1gb. Could that be a factor?
Title: Re: Workflow improvement suggestions!
Post by: Lucky Clan on January 29, 2018, 07:03:27 AM
Rearranging fav tools - i reproduced the problem (or very similar problem). We are fixing it now.

PSD Export - please send me your artstudio document. One more question - do you use iCloud or Local to store documents?
Title: Re: Workflow improvement suggestions!
Post by: Kappa on January 29, 2018, 07:06:09 AM
Local storage.

 I’m sending a file right now.
Title: Re: Workflow improvement suggestions!
Post by: Lucky Clan on January 29, 2018, 08:33:00 AM
Kappa: Thanks for your help to fix problems with PSD Export and rearrange fav tools. Both bugs have been fixed.
Title: Re: Workflow improvement suggestions!
Post by: Kappa on January 30, 2018, 12:20:11 PM
It’s really my pleasure. Your app is great and I’m glad you’re paying that much attention to your user feedback. It’s a win-win for all of us. :)

Keep up the great work.
Title: Re: Workflow improvement suggestions!
Post by: Husketch on February 02, 2018, 04:22:38 AM
Looking forward to version 1.1 improvements :)
Just a note. If you're implementing a brush cursor please make it optional in the preferences to turn on/off. Many users prefer to paint without cursor distraction.
Also, maybe an option to move brush size +opacity controls to the top of the screen instead of the bottom? Some users would prefer it to be on top as it's a bit more practical to reach with Apple pencil. Again it's best to keep it optional .

Thanks!
Title: Re: Workflow improvement suggestions!
Post by: Lucky Clan on February 02, 2018, 05:04:38 AM
Yes, iOS cursor will be optional.
size/opacity on the top - it will be done in full screen mode in the future
Title: Re: Workflow improvement suggestions!
Post by: Kappa on February 06, 2018, 02:23:45 AM
Maybe a less distracting cursor that indicates just the maximum brush size at the beginning of every stroke and nothing else instead of constantly giving real-time visual feedback on size or direction as you move the pencil, would be much less distracting and actually useful. Procreate’s cursor works with this real-time feedback and it can be very distracting at times. Alternatively, both could exist as different cursor mode options under prefs.

Oh, and I think I found another little bug.

When you merge down an empty clipping mask with a layer that’s not empty they result in an empty layer instead of leaving the content of the underlying layer unaffected.
Title: Re: Workflow improvement suggestions!
Post by: Lucky Clan on February 06, 2018, 02:52:33 AM
We will be working on cursor this week, we will try to make it not distractive.

Empty clipping mask bug - i cannot reproduce that. If you can repeat it, please give me all steps to do it, or send me a screen video to my email.
Title: Re: Workflow improvement suggestions!
Post by: Kappa on February 06, 2018, 06:10:54 AM
I’m sending you one shortly.
Title: Re: Workflow improvement suggestions!
Post by: Kappa on March 08, 2018, 07:41:08 AM
Keyboard support is a great addition. A thing I’m missing a lot is the ability to hide all guides and selection borders at once, like in photoshop (cmd+H) You have the options already there in the drop down menus, I assume switching them on/off via a shortcut won’t be much trouble code wise.

Actually it would be really great to have a faster way to do that even when you’re working without a keyboard.
Title: Re: Workflow improvement suggestions!
Post by: Lucky Clan on March 08, 2018, 08:08:43 AM
We will add Cmd+H support for iPad keyboard in version 1.2
Title: Re: Workflow improvement suggestions!
Post by: Kappa on March 08, 2018, 08:20:28 AM
Cool! :)