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Support => Suggestions, Ideas, Bugs => Topic started by: mattnava on December 19, 2021, 08:16:44 PM

Title: Can the line drawing mode get pressure sensitivity like auto shapes?
Post by: mattnava on December 19, 2021, 08:16:44 PM
It’s really cool that the new version of auto shapes supports variable pressure sensitivity along the lines. It would be really cool if the line drawing mode got this too. Right now it maxes out the pressure along the line, which is unfortunate. Im not sure how it should work for ellipse and rectangle drawing modes with pressure, but line seems very similar to auto shape in how it should work.
Title: Re: Can the line drawing mode get pressure sensitivity like auto shapes?
Post by: Leonid Deburger on December 20, 2021, 11:05:05 AM
I don't always need the pressure on lines for construction etc.
You always can use Autoshapes for pressure-sensitive straight lines. And line-mode for heavy-pressure lines. I think this is how it should be. It's nice to have both I'd say.
Title: Re: Can the line drawing mode get pressure sensitivity like auto shapes?
Post by: Lucky Clan on December 20, 2021, 02:01:55 PM
In Line/Rectangle/Ellipse mode you cannot see the stroke being drawn, so making it dynamics doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: Can the line drawing mode get pressure sensitivity like auto shapes?
Post by: mattnava on December 21, 2021, 04:22:37 AM

Ok, it’s clear that I need to explain my reasoning here better.
In response to Leonid who said “ You always can use Autoshapes for pressure-sensitive straight lines. And line-mode for heavy pressure lines.”:

Using auto shape to make lines and using line mode to make lines is fundamentally different. One is slow, one is fast. Auto shape requires you to long-hold after every line. Line mode lets you draw lines extremely fast, which allows hatching. So no, they are not interchangeable. Also- if you like the current behavior of line mode drawing 100% pressure lines- Adding pressure sensitivity to line mode would not stop you from using it that way. Just turn off pressure sensitivity in the brush- the same way you would if you wanted to make thick lines with auto shapes.

In response to Lucky Clan- who said “you cannot see the stroke being drawn, so making it dynamics doesn’t makes sense.”:

My response to this is that it should live preview the stroke as you draw it in line mode! The fact that it doesn’t is a weakness of the existing implementation that should be improved. It’s especially apparent when you use a thick brush and cannot tell how big your mark will be. Also- you currently have pressure dynamics for auto shape, which does not currently have live preview. How is it any different if line mode had pressure dynamics without live preview? It’s the same. Obviously, if line mode had pressure dynamics it would be much better with live preview, just like auto shape would be. And you recently mentioned in another thread that live preview is a planned feature coming to auto shapes. So you must see the logic of this request- Please, also add live preview for line mode, and add pressure dynamics to it as well, just like auto shape. It would be ideal if all the drawing modes had live preview for consistency and for a better WYSIWYG design (what you see is what you get) like the rest of the app. Currently, it’s weird that auto shape gets pressure dynamics and line mode doesn’t, since I now expect line mode to work similarly, as it is simply another mode. Freehand mode has live preview and pressure dynamics, auto shape is getting both, why not the rest, especially line mode which is an intuitive fit for both as well? The inconsistency seems like a bug.

I’m not sure you guys are considering all the ways that the line mode can be used. It’s true that you can use line mode to methodically, slowly draw straight, accurate lines one at a time. But I also use it all the time for fast hatching- quick series of short, straight lines to do shading. It’s actually an incredible feature that is very rare to see in other art apps, and something I cherish in art studio pro. I’m attaching a simple, short demo video of what I’m talking about here. I hope its clear from the video- doing this sort of hatching would be slow and tedious with auto shape to the point where you just wouldn’t do it, and it would be better with pressure dynamics. Linear hatching is a very valid and powerful use case of line mode, that is also a unique selling point for Art Studio Pro!

Auto shape and line mode are good for different things: they are different tools. They both deserve to be fully featured. You cannot use auto shape to draw many strokes rapidly. Line mode lets you do that. The linear hatching use case of line mode would greatly benefit from pressure dynamics, just like auto shape already has. And adding that would not stop you from using line mode as it is used now, for other use cases. It would make things more consistent across line and auto shape mode, and be more WYSIWYG. These are all good things without any losses. Line mode deserves full functionality, please reconsider your response to this request!

I hope I have clarified my case here with the reasoning described above. Please add pressure dynamics to line mode, and please add live preview to line mode and auto shape mode (and ideally, all the drawing modes!) Thank you!
Title: Re: Can the line drawing mode get pressure sensitivity like auto shapes?
Post by: lastaccess on December 21, 2021, 05:01:27 AM
Can you show the final piece with straight line hatching? I'm just curious. Never used line tool for hatching.
Title: Re: Can the line drawing mode get pressure sensitivity like auto shapes?
Post by: mattnava on December 21, 2021, 03:11:16 PM
I’d love to share but unfortunately I don’t have any pieces with it that aren’t under NDA right now. However, I found a nice example online. In this piece you can see the hatching technique with straight lines, and you can also see that there is variability in the line weight across strokes (especially in that cheek area under the eye on the right side of the image). I think this piece was done with an actual pen, but I’d love to be able to do this technique in Art Studio Pro, with pressure dynamics added to line mode.


There are many styles, you can find a lot of examples by searching for cross hatching. In my work, I love to use straight lines when hatching.


Btw, I saw that live preview for auto shape came into the beta! Very cool. It seems a bit laggy in this iteration, at least on my iPad Pro 2018. But very promising! Hope it gets super snappy in upcoming iterations!


https://i.pinimg.com/736x/e9/6b/e3/e96be3803ef7a82c0a78329079fdc6d6.jpg (https://i.pinimg.com/736x/e9/6b/e3/e96be3803ef7a82c0a78329079fdc6d6.jpg)
Title: Re: Can the line drawing mode get pressure sensitivity like auto shapes?
Post by: mattnava on December 21, 2021, 03:30:19 PM
One more example with very obvious pressure dynamics, this time rendered with a pencil. You can see how important the dynamics are. A bit low res unfortunately. By an artist named Sal Navarro.
Title: Re: Can the line drawing mode get pressure sensitivity like auto shapes?
Post by: Lucky Clan on December 21, 2021, 03:43:27 PM
Ok, it makes sense, and the paintings are great!
I will consider improving that asap. However it makes sense only in "Line" mode. In other modes (Rectangle, Ellipse, Polygon) you draw only a start/end points, so pressure values for each edge is unknown.
Title: Re: Can the line drawing mode get pressure sensitivity like auto shapes?
Post by: mattnava on December 21, 2021, 08:30:50 PM
That’s great! Thank you so much!
Title: Re: Can the line drawing mode get pressure sensitivity like auto shapes?
Post by: Leonid Deburger on December 21, 2021, 09:55:21 PM
Is there any way to control auto shape creation delay?
Lower delay can make hatching with auto shape possible. Anyway for my preferences delay in the default state is too low, I'd love to have the ability to fine-tune this parameter but can’t find it anywhere.
Title: Re: Can the line drawing mode get pressure sensitivity like auto shapes?
Post by: Lucky Clan on December 22, 2021, 04:30:54 PM
I rather don't plan to adjust the delay, I'm using standard value used in iOS Notes, and some other apps.
Title: Re: Can the line drawing mode get pressure sensitivity like auto shapes?
Post by: icezimy on December 22, 2021, 09:42:36 PM
Wait I always thought “long press delay” in settings is what determines the autoshape delay. But if that’s not the case, then what does this setting do instead? 😅

Also +1 for option to choose auto shape delay
Title: Re: Can the line drawing mode get pressure sensitivity like auto shapes?
Post by: ggermain1 on December 22, 2021, 11:14:03 PM
I’m also wondering what the “long press delay” setting does as well.
Title: Re: Can the line drawing mode get pressure sensitivity like auto shapes?
Post by: mattnava on December 23, 2021, 01:35:29 AM
Long press delay in the settings is for popping up the eyedropper. It’s a bit confusing because the word eyedropper is not mentioned in the setting name, but that’s what it is. There’s one in the Gestures section of the prefs that applies to when you use your finger, and another in the Apple Pencil/Third Party Stylus section that just applies when you long hold with a stylus. Setting them to 0 disables the eyedropper long hold shortcut for either stylus or finger respectively. It’s nice that this lets you turn it off for one but not the other!

They are in subsections called “Finger” and “ long press”, it might be more clear if those subsections were simply called “Eyedropper Gesture” in both places. Or maybe “Finger Eyedropper Gesture” and “Stylus Eyedropper Gesture.”

The related setting that I don’t know the meaning of is the “ touch radius” toggle that’s also in the finger subsection. Anyone know?

Procreate lets you set the delay time for their autoshape so I see how this could be a setting many users will expect to have. Probably reason enough to add it somewhere in my opinion. If Autoshape does get it’s own delay time setting, I think it’s important that it be separate from the existing delay time settings for the Eyedropper. My reason is that I like to set the pencil Eyedropper delay to zero to disable it, and I wouldn’t want doing that to disable autoshape too.

It would be so nice to get an official manual pdf for the app! I know the devs are very busy making great and important new features but a real good manual would go a long way in making the app more accessible and increasing the user base, I think. Small things like the meaning of these settings people are talking about here would become a non-issue with it. The manual feels like one of the last remaining big missing features of the app, in my view. I hope you guys can prioritize it at some point!
Title: Re: Can the line drawing mode get pressure sensitivity like auto shapes?
Post by: icezimy on December 23, 2021, 05:02:33 AM
Wow thanks so much for the explanation, that's actually really good to know!

Agree, calling it "eyedropper gesture/delay" or something similar would make more sense, and if they decide to add autoshape delay it should be seperrate to that setting.

Unfortunately idk for what touch radius could be either.

And true a manual could help many new people! The app is really sooo amazing but I think many are confused by all the options especially if they come from procreate and didn't use photoshop, and then they look for a manual that doesn't exist yet.

Thanks again! :)
Title: Re: Can the line drawing mode get pressure sensitivity like auto shapes?
Post by: lastaccess on December 23, 2021, 05:13:51 AM
I’d love to share but unfortunately I don’t have any pieces with it that aren’t under NDA right now. However, I found a nice example online. In this piece you can see the hatching technique with straight lines, and you can also see that there is variability in the line weight across strokes (especially in that cheek area under the eye on the right side of the image). I think this piece was done with an actual pen, but I’d love to be able to do this technique in Art Studio Pro, with pressure dynamics added to line mode.


There are many styles, you can find a lot of examples by searching for cross hatching. In my work, I love to use straight lines when hatching.


Btw, I saw that live preview for auto shape came into the beta! Very cool. It seems a bit laggy in this iteration, at least on my iPad Pro 2018. But very promising! Hope it gets super snappy in upcoming iterations!


https://i.pinimg.com/736x/e9/6b/e3/e96be3803ef7a82c0a78329079fdc6d6.jpg (https://i.pinimg.com/736x/e9/6b/e3/e96be3803ef7a82c0a78329079fdc6d6.jpg)

Thanks.

On close lookup I see small curves on some lines. So it is not made with straight line tool in digital apps or with ruler and pen in traditional. But I see your point about convenient hatching.
Title: Re: Can the line drawing mode get pressure sensitivity like auto shapes?
Post by: Lucky Clan on December 23, 2021, 05:33:08 AM
Thanks for the Long Press Delay remark, we will improve that add Autoshape Delay asap.
Title: Re: Can the line drawing mode get pressure sensitivity like auto shapes?
Post by: mattnava on December 23, 2021, 02:34:03 PM
I just saw that pressure and live preview were added to the line mode, that’s awesome! Thank you so much! This is huge!

I saw that you also rearranged the eyedropper delay settings, it’s definitely more clear! One thing I miss though is being able to disable eye dropper long press just for the Apple Pencil. It seems there’s no way to do that now without also disabling it for finger. I like to only use my finger to activate long press eye dropper, to avoid it ever accidentally popping up with the pencil while drawing, which I find distracting whenever it happens. A simple toggle setting somewhere like “Disable Pencil Eyedropper Long Press” would bring back that functionality in a more clear way. I could see it going nicely in the “Apple Pencil” subsection right under the double tap action setting in the Apple Pencil/Third Party Stylus section of the preferences. Please consider adding that option to help avoid accidental eyedropper long presses with the pencil again- thank you very much!

Another minor note- it seems that in this update the stroke taper is being applied to the rectangle and polygon drawing modes, so each segment gets thinner at the end. Seems like a minor bug. Although it is honestly kind of a nice effect! Haha. But you probably will want to remove it to get the old behavior back for those two modes.
Title: Re: Can the line drawing mode get pressure sensitivity like auto shapes?
Post by: mattnava on December 23, 2021, 04:19:27 PM
I noticed another apparent minor bug related to this- It seems that you can use your finger to make marks in the line, rectangle, ellipse and polygon modes, despite being in Pencil Only mode. I also have Finger Function set to Off in the settings.
Title: Re: Can the line drawing mode get pressure sensitivity like auto shapes?
Post by: Lucky Clan on December 23, 2021, 05:09:42 PM
Thanks for all remarks, we will fix them after Christmas. I consider removing long press Pencil Eyedropper gesture. So it will work with finger only
Title: Re: Can the line drawing mode get pressure sensitivity like auto shapes?
Post by: mattnava on December 23, 2021, 06:15:08 PM
Awesome, have a great holiday!
Title: Re: Can the line drawing mode get pressure sensitivity like auto shapes?
Post by: icezimy on December 24, 2021, 12:38:02 AM
Thanks for all remarks, we will fix them after Christmas. I consider removing long press Pencil Eyedropper gesture. So it will work with finger only

NOOO please don’t ever remove that gesture! 😭  It’s how I personally like to pick color and I use it all the time. And I’m sure other people do too. I don’t like using finger for that at all, and it’s so useful and one of the features that allow you to work really fast with the app and what I really like over other apps. And it’s such a frequently used tool generally that I really think it’s not a good idea to take away one the ways on how to use it.

So please, please, please don’t remove it! Just having an option again to turn it off for people who prefer to use their finger should be enough.Being able to select color so simple and fast with just the pencil, is literally one of my favorite features and I’m surely not the only one who uses it a lot!
Title: Re: Can the line drawing mode get pressure sensitivity like auto shapes?
Post by: Pikachu on December 24, 2021, 02:04:41 AM
Thanks for all remarks, we will fix them after Christmas. I consider removing long press Pencil Eyedropper gesture. So it will work with finger only
Oh god, PLEASE DON'T, this is my main way of blending: painting, holding with the pencil to eyedrop a color, and then continuing to paint.
It's very fluid, and one of my favorite things about this app. This would be one of the worst possible changes.
Title: Re: Can the line drawing mode get pressure sensitivity like auto shapes?
Post by: Lucky Clan on December 24, 2021, 03:47:25 AM
Ok, thanks for your feedback :)
Title: Re: Can the line drawing mode get pressure sensitivity like auto shapes?
Post by: Michele_Ianniello on December 24, 2021, 04:41:57 AM
I totally agree, I use the long press Pencil for the Eyedropper too and it's essential for me!
The only alternative I could imagine is to replace that with a mid button like Procreate does for the eyedropper, the button between the size and opacity slider of the brush on the left side!
Title: Re: Can the line drawing mode get pressure sensitivity like auto shapes?
Post by: icezimy on December 24, 2021, 05:23:57 AM
I don't even think a midbutton would replace the convenience of just simply long pressing. I'm  not a big fan of it in inside procreate either.It's really something unique to ASP which I really hope won't be removed!
Title: Re: Can the line drawing mode get pressure sensitivity like auto shapes?
Post by: Leonid Deburger on December 24, 2021, 06:24:28 AM
There was an app called Craft Pro made by borodante (a youtube artist from Ukraine) - Boro CG channel
It had interesting UI features, and a very ergonomic brush-size-changing/color-picking feature called thumb bar.
Adam Duff did some review of the app if you are interested https://youtu.be/X5z7CpdoCls?t=433
Title: Re: Can the line drawing mode get pressure sensitivity like auto shapes?
Post by: Lucky Clan on December 24, 2021, 07:44:06 AM
Yes, i know this app. Unfortunately as far as i know it is not available anymore.

There was an app called Craft Pro made by borodante (a youtube artist from Ukraine) - Boro CG channel
It had interesting UI features, and a very ergonomic brush-size-changing/color-picking feature called thumb bar.
Adam Duff did some review of the app if you are interested https://youtu.be/X5z7CpdoCls?t=433
Title: Re: Can the line drawing mode get pressure sensitivity like auto shapes?
Post by: Leonid Deburger on December 24, 2021, 06:29:01 PM
Yes, i know this app. Unfortunately as far as i know it is not available anymore.

There was an app called Craft Pro made by borodante (a youtube artist from Ukraine) - Boro CG channel
It had interesting UI features, and a very ergonomic brush-size-changing/color-picking feature called thumb bar.
Adam Duff did some review of the app if you are interested https://youtu.be/X5z7CpdoCls?t=433

Though, we still can learn some from videos :)
Title: Re: Can the line drawing mode get pressure sensitivity like auto shapes?
Post by: Pikachu on December 24, 2021, 07:54:45 PM
About the main topic of the thread, honestly I would like to make a case against this change, or at least have there be an option to turn it off. I think this change is very interesting and experimentative, which is definitely something I love the app doing.

However, I don't think having this as the default is a very good idea. The only reason I've read so far for this change would be for hatching, and I do think it improves the line tool's practicality for it, but is it enough to justify fundamentally changing the line mode as a whole? I'm not so sure.

Mattnava provided examples of traditional work using crosshatching, but I don't really understand what any of those drawings have to do with the line tool. In my opinion those examples would be a good case against this change, as they are done with a pen/pencil, which is the equivalent of freehand. To be frank, I don't think anyone should use the line tool for cross hatching. I don't crosshatch or use it in my work very much, but to me using only straight lines leads to a very rigid effect when using it to shade rounded form, as cross contour lines are rarely ever straight. ​I could see it being used for a stylized effect, or rendering flat objects, but I don't think this justifies changing the line tool fundamentally.  I think you would have a great deal of trouble finding an example of a drawing crosshatched using the line tool. 

So why not change it? Let me reiterate really quick that I'm not advocating for the removal this change, but rather having it as an option, and not the default. I don't think there's anything too fundamentally wrong with this addition, I think it's great as my philosophy is the more features the merrier.

The first reason is that to my knowledge every other software doesn't have this function, and use hard lines as the default. I know this isn't the best reason, but I think a feeling of familiarity when using a new app is essential.
The second reason is that if this is the only option, it removes the ability of creating those consistent hard lines without changing brush settings which is very inconvenient.

I hope it is understood that I don't mean anything personal, and don't really have any stake in this but I just figured I would give my two cents about this change. Thank you!
Title: Re: Can the line drawing mode get pressure sensitivity like auto shapes?
Post by: mattnava on December 25, 2021, 12:45:03 AM
Wowzers, I didn’t realize adding pressure sensitivity would be such a controversial idea among artists! Lol jk, everyone has a different way of working! ;) To me, it’s pretty simple though, having it read pressure doesn’t stop you from using it in the old way. But it does change the default. Now You have to change which brush you use, to one that doesn’t use pressure. And I think that’s actually a big an improvement- It’s exactly the same process you would do with freehand mode. In my opinion the modes should work as similarly as possible- it is more intuitive and clear. If switching off pressure sensitivity is a thing that is a common pain, then I would say that should be addressed as a separate issue. Pretty sure photoshop has a button to toggle it globally without digging into brush settings.

Regarding your thoughts on the validity of straight lines for hatching- it may be true that you don’t see the use of it on your work, but as I said it’s something that is very important in mine, which is equally valid. And many artists use this technique, hatching with straight lines is very common. Often, I don’t use it for an entire image (although I have), but only for certain areas, and combine it with other hatching techniques. I shared pieces done in traditional media to show and highlight the effect, because it’s less common in digital work- in large part due to the lack of tools like this. And yes you can do hatching with freehand mode- and I do- but line mode hatching gives a different and very useful effect that is a fantastic addition to other drawing techniques and hatching styles. (Another great use case is speed lines, or anime style background flare effects!)

With these changes, using it with or without pressure is now an available choice, instead of there only being one way. This enables entire new ways to work. And the default behavior is now more in line with freehand mode. The question now is- how simple and efficient is it to work either way.

I’m pretty sure that live preview on all the drawing modes is something that will universally be appreciated- once it’s super responsive. I could see an option for toggling pressure sensitivity being a good solution for making it easier to work either way. I’d personally opt for that to be a global toggle that could potentially go in the top bar or quick menu rather than a setting per drawing mode, since I can only imagine that adding unnecessary complexity to the ui. A nice thing about doing it that way is that you could still use favorites to save a preset brush that enables or disables pressure sensitivity and also sets the drawing mode together.

I’m not trying to get features subtracted here- my suggestions for changes do not remove the ability to work as before- they are motivated by the desire to enable new abilities and make things more consistent and intuitive. I’m not sure I understand the reasoning behind arguing for subtracting this feature which has pretty clear benefits, and is useful to at least one artist (me) as I have previously explained, and likely many others. And this feature isn’t just a win for hatching technique- I think that this change is a great step towards making the drawing modes all act in a more similar way, which is a better default. I’d argue that it makes it easier to understand how the tool will work, and that the fact the other apps lack this feature just makes it more valuable here. It enables a more diverse way of working. And there are ways to make toggling pressure sensitivity intuitive and simpler, if that is indeed a common issue.
Title: Re: Can the line drawing mode get pressure sensitivity like auto shapes?
Post by: Pikachu on December 25, 2021, 02:59:20 AM
Don't worry, there's no controversy here, I stated multiple times that I'm not arguing for the removal of this feature, I just don't think it should be the default.

My point wasn't at all "I don't use the line tool to crosshatch, so this shouldn't be implemented". It's that I don't think crosshatching
*with the line tool* is a significant enough technique to change the default way the line tool works, since that seemed to me the reason for this change. This was especially because I've never heard of people using it to cross hatch; freehanding is the only method I've ever seen- in digital work as well. If you say many other artists use the line tool, then I'll take your word for it.

Again, I like the feature, I also think it's an improvement and I'm glad we got live preview as well. I just think it should be toggleable since having to change brush dynamics just to use it the old way (and the way every other program does it) would be a pain. Photoshop does have a very accessible toggle like this for brush tool sensitivity, and that would be a good solution. 
Title: Re: Can the line drawing mode get pressure sensitivity like auto shapes?
Post by: mattnava on December 25, 2021, 03:08:47 AM
Cool! Yeah I think it totally makes sense to add a feature to make toggling pressure quick and easy. Thanks for your thoughts!
Title: Re: Can the line drawing mode get pressure sensitivity like auto shapes?
Post by: icezimy on December 26, 2021, 08:21:14 AM
There was an app called Craft Pro made by borodante (a youtube artist from Ukraine) - Boro CG channel
It had interesting UI features, and a very ergonomic brush-size-changing/color-picking feature called thumb bar.
Adam Duff did some review of the app if you are interested https://youtu.be/X5z7CpdoCls?t=433

The thumb bar looked like a cool feature too! However, if you want to use the tablet one handed only, it’s less useful. For example if you have a keyboard or controller in your other hand, or when you hold the tablet in your left hand when not at a desk(couch, standing,…), or even when you just in general prefer using it one handed etc..

So once again I just want to plead to please never remove the long press eye dropper feature for the pencil, it’s just the best! And now that I know thanks to Mattnava that it’s possible to make the delay time for it even shorter, I can work even faster with it. I think it’s simply the best solution for blending quickly while painting, like Pikachu said as well, and just for picking color in general. So me, plus many others wouldn’t want to miss this feature! I even wish it was the standard in other apps too.
Title: Re: Can the line drawing mode get pressure sensitivity like auto shapes?
Post by: lastaccess on December 26, 2021, 08:48:53 AM
I use pencil double tap for eye dropper. And when my finger is tired of these double taps, I use holding pencil on screen. I really can’t understand how people use finger to color pick. It’s so long and uncomfortable. The only moment when color picking with pencil hold can be frustrating is when you work on small details, so you need to turn it off or make delay longer.
Title: Re: Can the line drawing mode get pressure sensitivity like auto shapes?
Post by: mattnava on December 26, 2021, 03:11:23 PM
It’s clear that different users have different preferences regarding the finger/pencil long press eye dropper functionality. Some like to use just finger (like me, to avoid accidental triggers with the pencil), some like just pencil (for good reasons explained by lastaccess and icezimy), or both. It’s valuable to have those options available. The dev acknowledged that feedback, so I’m sure it will return to the beta soon after they return from their holiday. After this iteration, it’s probably going to be more understandable too!
Title: Re: Can the line drawing mode get pressure sensitivity like auto shapes?
Post by: Lucky Clan on December 29, 2021, 05:09:58 AM
Thanks for all your remarks. We added "Allow Long Press Pencil Eyedropper" in Preferences.

However we are still not sure about "dynamic pressure" Line mode...
Title: Re: Can the line drawing mode get pressure sensitivity like auto shapes?
Post by: icezimy on December 29, 2021, 07:54:50 AM
Thanks for all your remarks. We added "Allow Long Press Pencil Eyedropper" in Preferences.

However we are still not sure about "dynamic pressure" Line mode...

Awesome!😊

I also think dynamic pressure for line mode is good to have. Besides crosshatching it could also be very useful to quickly sketch out more dynamic looking perspective scenes/objects/guides, if you don’t want to wait for autoshape to activate. It’s like using a ruler in traditional art, just much quicker. And in traditional art when drawing a scene, you would usually touch the paper more lightly for things in the background and harder in the foreground, and also some guidelines you only want to see very lightly. It also can be useful to draw something like speed lines in comics or even paint something like rain quickly. So I think having pen pressure as default for line tool is a natural thing to have/expect. And I feel, it’s easy enough to use a brush without pressure sensitivity or turn it off for a specific brush, if you don’t need it. But a toggle for that somewhere in the tool settings could be solution too, like already said by others.

But also I think the tool by itself is probably only used by few people, since it’s only good for specific cases and most people will probably mainly use autoshape, which btw, I think it’s a good idea to make autoshape the standard setting when first downloading the app from the store, instead of freehand (idk if that’s already the case). Because I remember few months ago when I bought the app I was confused why there’s no autoshape and only later realized that there are drawing modes, so maybe more people feel like this.

But anyway, for those people who use line tool, they’ll benefit a lot to have dynamic pressure. I personally never really used/needed it before, but with the pressure sensitivity and live preview I see myself actually using it for some cases. :)
Title: Re: Can the line drawing mode get pressure sensitivity like auto shapes?
Post by: ggermain1 on December 29, 2021, 08:35:31 AM
Yeah, ever since dynamic pressure and line preview were added, I’ve been using the line tool more often especially with hatching.
Title: Re: Can the line drawing mode get pressure sensitivity like auto shapes?
Post by: mattnava on December 29, 2021, 02:08:56 PM
Thanks for chiming in on how you like the feature, icezimy and ggermain1! Lucky Clan, please rest assured, it’s great. I want to point out that even Pikachu mentioned several times that he liked the feature and was not arguing for its removal.
Title: Re: Can the line drawing mode get pressure sensitivity like auto shapes?
Post by: Lucky Clan on December 29, 2021, 02:42:43 PM
Yes. Autoshape is now a default mode for new users.