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Support => Suggestions, Ideas, Bugs => Topic started by: Jack Ofalltrades on September 23, 2021, 03:06:59 AM

Title: Toolbar got bigger
Post by: Jack Ofalltrades on September 23, 2021, 03:06:59 AM
I just noticed That iOS 15 made you add the 3 dots at the top which increases the size of the toolbar significantly and looks off now. I don’t like that, is Apple forcing you to keep the 3 dots at the top? If not I want to suggest a setting that turns it off to get the more compact toolbar back  ;)
Title: Re: Toolbar got bigger
Post by: Lucky Clan on September 23, 2021, 04:29:17 AM
Unfortunately we cannot remove "...". The only option to remove it is to drop support of Split View...
It must stay there until we find a better solution...
Title: Re: Toolbar got bigger
Post by: lastaccess on September 23, 2021, 05:00:00 AM
Maybe smth like that
Title: Re: Toolbar got bigger
Post by: lastaccess on September 23, 2021, 05:15:28 AM
And actually I can’t understand designers of Apple. Nobody will use these 3 dots. It’s much easier to multitask from bottom apps bar. The only reason in these 3 dots is to show non technical users that iPad has multitasking.
Title: Re: Toolbar got bigger
Post by: Lucky Clan on September 23, 2021, 06:26:34 AM
Starting Split View from the bottom is a bit complex. Three dots icon is ok, but there should be an option to hide it because many users (maybe most) just never use Split View...
Title: Re: Toolbar got bigger
Post by: Jack Ofalltrades on September 23, 2021, 07:52:00 AM
I was afraid Apple is forcing the dots, i can’t think of a good solution at the moment
Title: Re: Toolbar got bigger
Post by: Andreas Raninger on September 23, 2021, 11:48:12 AM
Let's scrap the GUI and run everything with keyboard shortcuts alone. Would at least make the Procreate people shut up about minimalistic GUI design.  ;)
Title: Re: Toolbar got bigger
Post by: LCArt on September 23, 2021, 02:18:05 PM
Maybe something like Amadine app (vector) do?

Just adding the file, edit, image, adjust, etc inside the [...] button at the top left; the most used tools could go to the sidebar and the brushes, colors and layers remain on the top right like amadine does

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/709275976638660652/890587162867826718/image.png)

Title: Re: Toolbar got bigger
Post by: SumoNeko on September 24, 2021, 12:50:16 AM
I personally dont think adding the tools to the side again would be a good option at all.

Maybe something like lastaccess showed, essentially embedding the 3 dots into the UI would make the most sense, if possible.

Also hopefully Apple will allow for the 3 dots to be turned off in the future, it should be an accessibility feature for people who want it or need, and not be forced on everyone.
Title: Re: Toolbar got bigger
Post by: mattnava on September 25, 2021, 02:52:43 AM
The 3 dots doesn’t bother me as much as the floating line on the bottom edge to signify you can slide up to go to the Home Screen… It’s a bummer about the dots talking up more space but I don’t think there’s really a more elegant solution than what Lucky Clan has done with it.
Title: Re: Toolbar got bigger
Post by: Andreas Raninger on September 25, 2021, 02:59:55 AM
I've been running the iPadOs 15 beta before the offical 15 was launched and the dots has never been a big thing for me. It's easy to drop into full screen mode and back if you need the extra space.
Title: Re: Toolbar got bigger
Post by: Lucky Clan on October 06, 2021, 06:15:16 AM
Thanks for all your suggestions. As we don't plan to make big UI changes in a near future, current solution will stay for some time.
Title: Re: Toolbar got bigger
Post by: Kaede Fujisaki on October 10, 2021, 10:52:37 PM
I am tapping 3 dots instead of top bar's shortcuts by mistake many times (^^;

So I feel this is a big usability issue.

I think disabling split view is acceptable, because some photo editing Apps such as Affinity Photo disable it.
Also, there is "Reference Panel" in ArtStudio Pro, so we don't have to use split view to refer other images.
Title: Re: Toolbar got bigger
Post by: icezimy on October 11, 2021, 10:23:51 AM
I think it’s only annoying if you were used to how it was before. But even then, after a few days you get used to it too. So I don’t think it’s a big issue after all and for now probably best solution the way it is currently. :)

But true, most people probably use Artstudio Pro in full screen most of the time. If I need second window I usually use the “floating” one that you can use in full screen apps too. But maybe some people still need split screen, I don’t know 🤷‍♀️ It’s hard to please everyone
Title: Re: Toolbar got bigger
Post by: lastaccess on October 11, 2021, 02:34:29 PM
I just put under these 3 dots two shortcuts that I don’t use. Other way it’s too many accidental touches of these f***g multitask dots)
Title: Re: Toolbar got bigger
Post by: Dorothyfan1 on October 11, 2021, 02:59:55 PM
If you people pressure and succeed in getting ASP to remove split view on the iPad will be the fasted way to remove interest in using the app in my opinion. Especially since I see no movement to remove split view from Procreate. I use Visref with ASP using split screen. Split screen is the best thing since sliced bread. It allows multitasking. It makes things easier to do when using reference photos in Vizref. Take away Split Screen from ASP is the day I say goodbye to the app. Period.
Title: Re: Toolbar got bigger
Post by: ggermain1 on October 11, 2021, 09:43:20 PM
I agree. If split view is removed the app would be greatly diminished for me.
Title: Re: Toolbar got bigger
Post by: Dorothyfan1 on October 12, 2021, 12:32:59 AM
The lack of split screen mode is why i’m not using Realistic Paint Studio which gets a lot of positive reviews. I don’t care. No split screen? I’m not interested. Bye bye Realistic Paint Studio.
Title: Re: Toolbar got bigger
Post by: Kaede Fujisaki on October 12, 2021, 01:16:28 AM
Hmm...

Is it possible to add "Disabling split view" option to ArtStudio Pro?
(Sorry, I'm not familiar with iOS development)
Title: Re: Toolbar got bigger
Post by: Kaede Fujisaki on October 12, 2021, 04:39:15 AM
Clip Studio Paint may implement ideal UI.

Three dots disappears after some seconds.
If you tap the top of the app, the dots appears again and you can tap again to get into split view mode.

How about it?
Title: Re: Toolbar got bigger
Post by: Jack Ofalltrades on October 12, 2021, 07:06:25 AM
I vote for the optional disabling of split screen in the preferences (if possible), that would at least solve the issue for everyone who is not using split views, like me
Title: Re: Toolbar got bigger
Post by: lastaccess on October 12, 2021, 07:26:48 AM
+1 for optional disabling split screen.
Title: Re: Toolbar got bigger
Post by: LCArt on October 12, 2021, 03:34:05 PM
+1 for optional disabling split screen, i never use it
Title: Re: Toolbar got bigger
Post by: icezimy on October 12, 2021, 06:22:16 PM
+1 for optional Split View, if it’s possible :)
Title: Re: Toolbar got bigger
Post by: Lucky Clan on October 13, 2021, 06:38:10 AM
Autohide Home Indicator (bottom) and Three Dots (top) will be added in the next minor update. The problem is tapping near screen edge makes Three Dots reappear, so we cannot make top toolbar smaller.

To remove Three Dots we would have to disable "Split View" support. Unfortunately it must be "hard coded", so it is not possible to make a switch for that in Preferences. So we cannot do it.

Besides Apple removed "Allow Multiple Apps" (split view support) option from iOS Settings.
Title: Re: Toolbar got bigger
Post by: Kaede Fujisaki on October 13, 2021, 01:38:17 PM
I think it's a realistic choice. Thanks, Lucky Clan!